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Originally Posted by CODE_BLUE56
Him and T Mac have some similarities....but Nique is better....tbh I think Lebron is pretty much a better shooting better passing Dominique  |
Lebron is the superior all around player but people tend to forget that 'Nique averaged at or pretty close to 30PPG for the better part of a decade. He was a volume scorer and not much else but was damn good and efficient as hell at it. He didn't have a sseason where he shot under 45% until he was 34 years old.
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Originally Posted by CODE_BLUE56
ehhhh...i think he will...barely...because of his scoring titles
...but he is a low HOFer if you get what im saying he wouldnt be on the next NBA top 50 or anything imo
I would say he had some impressive seasons and his stats are decent and worse players have gone into the HOF.
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Yeah but those decent players/worse players had one or both of these things in their favor: They were good for a long period of time with some very good/great seasons sprinkled in, or have multiple championships. TMac has none of those things working in his favor. McGrady had about a 3-4 year peak period, fell off hard(no longevity), and virtually no playoff success.
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In six games in which his team had a chance to clinch a playoff series — including three Game 7s — McGrady has averaged 26.5 points and 6.3 assists, but has shot 38 percent (56-of-146) overall and 18 percent (6-of-34) on three-point shots.
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Plus as we sit here now TMac is a borderline guy, let alone when you start having some of these younger stars putting together longer careers, accumulating stats, awards, etc. TMac's two scoring titles are nice but in the end you're basically looking at a similar case to Bernard King.
TMac may be a bit better overall player, but King had more longevity and for the most part is a really similar player legacy wise.
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Originally Posted by CODE_BLUE56
i think when it's all said and done in about 20-30 years T Mac will not be mentioned among the greats of that era(Kobe Duncan Lebron(yes) Shaq ?????)
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Not even in the same paragraph. Let alone sentence.
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Originally Posted by CODE_BLUE56
Without Jordan, Pippen would have shined even more and would have been an all time great imo...Pippen is one of the most underrated players of all time
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Those Bulls teams don't win 6 titles with Pippen as "the guy", IMO henever had that mentality. Guy was a hell of a player and a stat compiler though. Just never had that "it" thing that would lead teams to titles. That 1 1/2 year stretch though where Jordan was gone gave you a really good idea of the type of player Pippen was/could have been had Jordan not been around.
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Originally Posted by CODE_BLUE56
I would agree with Melo...but i think T Mac will make the HOF based on his All star games,scoring titles,total points,scoring avg,etc.
im just curious has a player that has ever lead the league in scoring not been inducted into the HOF(that's already retired)
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Max Zaslofsy and Bernard King. Most other scoring Champions have been multiple winners for longer periods of time or had long careers in general so we can't really hold TMac to that standard of multiple scoring title guy like we would with others..because he basically accomplished nothing else. Every other scoring title winner that has made the HOF is pretty much some combination of the following: a multiple winner, has rings, playoff success, long career etc. TMac is the exception in that he won a couple scoring titles then dropped off and started getting hurt.
I mean you're dealing with a situation where you have a guy in McGrady who was very good/great for 2 seasons. Good for another two..then basically he became an ineffcient volume scorer...and his avergae wasn't incredibly high. It sucks he got hurt, and obviously there is the "what if" question but when judging the HOF inclusion you cn't judge what if. You have to judge what actually was. TMac doesn't really pass that test IMO.
You left Wade off your list and I think Wade easily makes the HOF over TMac.
TMac's career isn't going to begin looking any better in retrospect as we move forward. He'll be a "what if guy" but not a HOF guy
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He's in
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I'm not so sure. One ring. Long career. No MVP's. No scoring titles. Some All Star teams, a few 2nd and 3rd All NBA teams. It will be close. I'm not sure if he will get in but it will be interesting to say the least.