Who Is Your Least Favorite Cub?

[FirstTimer]

Originally Posted by Rice Cube

I think in the Nolasco example you posted you're looking at fWAR for the positive and rWAR for the negative.

I believe that is right.

Originally Posted by Rice Cube

I tend to trust the rWAR better as they have a lower replacement level and they use DRS in the calculations which should take into account certain fielding parameters.

And guess what site CO uses?

.........

lulz.

[Rice Cube]

I kind of wish the sabermetricians would standardize the WAR a bit better, but I think that's mostly for us basement-dwellers to have fun with. I'm pretty sure the GMs use something proprietary (or at least the smart ones do) that they don't share with the closet spreadsheet-pushers.

[FirstTimer]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

So what if he used Steroids. He wasn't the only player to use steroids. He wasn't the only player to ever cheat, either.



Well considering we're talking about the Cubs organization, I think it means something...

He's 2nd on the team in K's, 8th in Wins, and 3rd in WAR. He's certainly not the biggest piece of shit on the team, now is he?

Considering that the Cubs haven't had many great pitchers, he is one of the best. Not that it is saying he is Sandy Koufax, but he's been good for the team. I'm not saying that he wasn't a bozo either, all I'm saying is that he was a damn good pitcher for the Cubs. One of the best in the organization's history.

As far as where would I rank him, somewhere in the top 10.

Originally Posted by FirstTimer

I'm sure he'll cite WAR or some other bullshit metric to try and make a case when as it stands right now I could name likely 10 pitchers teh Cubs have had that were easily better than Zambrano all things considered..more than likely 15. Perhaps 20.

In no real order:
Jenkins
Maddux
Root
Alexander
Brown
Vaughn
Hutchinson
Bush
Griffith
Lee

That's 10 STARTERS alone I'd rank ahead of him and I tried to stay away as much as I could from guys who notched 30 wins seasons in the 1880's and 1890's.

Throw in relievers like Lee Smith, a combo guy like Dempster(a real stretch but he's been a glue guy and not a complete tool bag) and the 1880's/1890's guys and Zambrano is scraping maybe around 15-20 all time based on stats/contrbutions alone. Throw in the off the field/on the field tantrums and problems and you could maybe slide him down to Top 25 at best.

As if we needed more proof that CO is an idiot and I'm generally really fucking smart.

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Zambrano is the 15th ranked pitcher on this list.

[daddies3angels]

Stewart is my most hated player right now

[bossdrb]

i loved guys like DeRosa, Byrd, D. Lee. hated the effort put forth but Aramis, but he hit well & i enjoyed watching him. Milton Bradley cuz he's just a fuckin dick, Theriot cuz he said he was "on the right side of the rivalry" between the Cubs/Cards, but he just sucks ass now. fuck em.

[whitesox901]

Jeff Samardzija

[bossdrb]

but why are all these stats brought up? DeRo & Byrd, those type of guys' impacts arent on a sheet of paper. you can bring up numbers all you want, but to the organization is doesnt make a difference. i liked Big Z & i still have his jersey, but what he did w/ all the retirement bullshit & taking his frustrations out on the team... it was selfish bullshit. however, he did contribute to the team in his younger years w/ his intensity. it's a shame he didnt keep it in check. Lee tailed off @ the end of his Cubbie years, but his lead-by-example demeanor helped stabilize the Cubs for awhile. it's a shame most of these players listed ended up leaving on bad terms.

[Jamfan]

Aaron Miles

[dabynsky]

Originally Posted by whitesox901

Jeff Samardzija

He is becoming my favorite Cub...

[ChitwnRyan60452]

Joe Ricketts...He counts right?