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I would say the Bears OL when healthy is above average.

That has a lot to do with the brutal OLs in the NFL and having 5 guys who are solid on the OL is often better than 3 really good players and 2 scrubs because of the unit aspect of the position.

They have the best OL in the division, but again that is not a huge accomplishment.
 

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They have the best OL in the division, but again that is not a huge accomplishment.

FO's Adj run yards and adj sack rate rankings for NFC North O-lines...league average total ranking is 32

Bears = 28/7 : 35 below average
Packers = 7/21: 28 above average
Lions = 20/12: 32 average
Vikings = 23/9: 32 average

So the metrics say the Bears have the worst OL in the division
 

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FO's Adj run yards and adj sack rate rankings for NFC North O-lines...league average total ranking is 32

Bears = 28/7 : 35 below average
Packers = 7/21: 28 above average
Lions = 20/12: 32 average
Vikings = 23/9: 32 average

So the metrics say the Bears have the worst OL in the division

I am legitimately surprised by those rankings. The Bears runs game really killed them in these rankings.

The Vikings OL was bad most of the season and I am surprised by their sack rating, as it seemed Cousins was under pretty consistent pressure, or at least that was given for his underwhelming play.

The Packers did run the ball well.
 

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Seems like some people felt that too many posters were bashing the David Montgomery pick. Others like myself thought this pick brought out a great deal of over the top euphoric optimism. We all hope for a good result. Are we now doing an analysis of our analysis of this draft pick?

I remember the CCS analysis of this draft pick was "Khalil Mack was 100 percent worthy of the Bears' interest. He played lights-out in 2018 and I suspect will be a force over the next few seasons, barring injury (which was a bit of a concern last year)."


If Pace was intent on trading up, he could have traded up two more spots and gotten Darrell Henderson of Memphis, as I said almost verbatim in Post #1. Miles Sanders went toward the end of Round 2, so perhaps that was too far out of reach for Pace, but Henderson and Sanders would have 'moved the needle' for me as, again, I said almost verbatim in Post #1. Montgomery appears to be 'competent' IMO. Again, I could be way off and Montgomery ends up being the next Matt Forte. I'm just giving my opinion.
 
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One of the leagues best offensive lines? Sounds like Long owes Trubisky a steak.

There should have been an asterisk on that comment. They are if you're looking at pass blocking but not so much when its run blocking.
 

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It's fair to say Bears' OL is better vs. their defenses, than DM's was @ Iowa St. was vs. theirs. Yes, absolutely.

Is the Bears' OL great or feared? Not IMO, or that of most. You'll be hard pressed to back that up.

I DO believe being a better fit and less predictable will lead to better results with the same OL this season - provided age & injury doesn't force tier 2 or 3 backups in there vs. a tough schedule.
 

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If the ROY comes out of the NFCN, my money's on Hockenson
 

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It’s nice to see that the Bears 3rd round pick is in the mix with a lot of other teams’ first round picks for ROY. I don’t see him getting it though.

If Pace hits on this draft class I will be extremely impressed with him. Consistently finding starters in the middle rounds could end up being his super power. lol.
 

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FO's Adj run yards and adj sack rate rankings for NFC North O-lines...league average total ranking is 32

Bears = 28/7 : 35 below average
Packers = 7/21: 28 above average
Lions = 20/12: 32 average
Vikings = 23/9: 32 average

So the metrics say the Bears have the worst OL in the division
This. We got overall poor play from the interior line in 2018. It was bad enough that it became difficult to evaluate the T play. They got better grades but when the closer D guys get there 1st the Ts get better scores. That said, I expect the line to play well this year but it was a negative aspect of the O last year.
 

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Why do you expect this?
Tackles are average to above, solid, Daniels should be well along his learning curve and looked better as he got more reps. The off season should help Daniels and especially Long get their bodies into NFL condition. Long's best attribute last year was that he was hard to move due to his Buddha belly. He hasn't been able to train in the off season for years and I expect him to be renewed and refreshed this coming one. His 'might play T' days are over but he should still be able to play his spot at a high level if healthy.

I personally like Whitehair at C. He's good at all aspects other than shotgun snaps which is sorted well enough. If the Bear move Daniels there it will be due to snapping with the ball getting there faster and more consistently with a spiral. I like Daniels at G with our current roster. I'm sure Cody would be fine there as well but Daniels will become the better drive blocker. Both are good getting to the 2nd level but Cody has already shown to be VG at combo blocking, shading the G that needs more help and picking up defenders in space. That's important for a guy that often doesn't have a set assignment. He doesn't have that big anchor but extremely strong hands which is a life saver at the position.
 
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Tackles are average to above, solid, Daniels should be well along his learning curve and looked better as he got more reps. The off season should help Daniels and especially Long get their bodies into NFL condition. Long's best attribute last year was that he was hard to move due to his Buddha belly. He hasn't been able to train in the off season for years and I expect him to be renewed and refreshed this coming one. His 'might play T' days are over but he should still be able to play his spot at a high level if healthy.

I personally like Whitehair at C. He's good at all aspects other than shotgun snaps which is sorted well enough. If the Bear move Daniels there it will be due to snapping with the ball getting there faster and more consistently with a spiral. I like Daniels at G with our current roster. I'm sure Cody would be fine there as well but Daniels will become the better drive blocker. Both are good getting to the 2nd level but Cody has already shown to be VG at combo blocking, shading the G that needs more help and picking up defenders in space. That's important for a guy that often doesn't have a set assignment. He doesn't have that big anchor but extremely strong hands which is a life saver at the position.
I think going into this season counting on Long to contribute anything of value is a mistake, as evidenced by the past 3 seasons. Obviously, Pace disagrees with me, as they decided (and were limited by resources) to do very little to bolster the interior.

It's also possible we start to see a decline in Massie, as he'll be 30 entering the season.

Overall, I'd wager much of the same from this unit this season. Quite frankly, I'd be shocked to see a clear "improvement", and definitely don't 'expect' it.
 

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No way to know until Sept. but I expect Long to come back to VG. I'll be disappointed if he starts the season wider than tall.
 

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It’s nice to see that the Bears 3rd round pick is in the mix with a lot of other teams’ first round picks for ROY. I don’t see him getting it though.

I view that as a huge negative. A 3rd round pick is expected to get the majority of offensive touches on a 12-4 team?! Makes you wonder what on earth the GM is doing, and how the young QB is going to make the next step (fire up the Cutler 'supporting cast' sob story, too).
 

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It's fair to say Bears' OL is better vs. their defenses, than DM's was @ Iowa St. was vs. theirs. Yes, absolutely.

Since you made such a definitive statement, please provide stats/link/anything to back up this claim. Thanks in advance.


Is the Bears' OL great or feared? Not IMO, or that of most. You'll be hard pressed to back that up.

Do you ever read the postings already made in the thread before contributing?

FO's Adj run yards and adj sack rate rankings for NFC North O-lines...league average total ranking is 32

Bears = 28/7 : 35 below average
Packers = 7/21: 28 above average
Lions = 20/12: 32 average
Vikings = 23/9: 32 average

So the metrics say the Bears have the worst OL in the division


Is the Bears OL great? Is the Bears OL feared? I think the bigger question is, can you read?
 

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I would say the Bears OL when healthy is above average.

I agree (though i think it's pass blocking that's more their strength) , and i loved the Montgomery pick. I'm very optimistic about what he can do.
 

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When healthy, OL is average at best. 2015 was the time the Bears sent an OL to the pro bowl. I keep hearing about how Montgomery had no college OL, so average might be an upgrade.
Charles Leno last year
 

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Rookie of the year often comes down to touches.

Montgomery should get a lot of touches.
Rookie of the year often comes down to touches.

Montgomery should get a lot of touches.
As the lead back last year Howard had 15.6 att. per game to go along with his receptions. If Montgomery as the 2019 Bears lead back as many touches as Howard he might be in the running for ROY.
 

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I agree (though i think it's pass blocking that's more their strength) , and i loved the Montgomery pick. I'm very optimistic about what he can do.
Ah shit!!!! If you like him, that means he will suck.
 

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