Tom Thayer Responds to Fox's Comment

[remydat]

Packers = HC (?)

While this may turn out to be true, I would still say his resume better on paper than Bears kickers.

 

[iueyedoc]

While this may turn out to be true, I would still say his resume better on paper than Bears kickers.

He has zero experience as a HC which is a completely different job than coordinator, as has been proven time and again by great coordinators failures as HC. The Bears acquired a very successful college kicker that was set to be the Raiders kicker before a groin injury. So his resume is infinitely more complete at the job he will be tasked to do...kick vs LaFleur's as a HC.
So what you would still say is incorrect.

 

[remydat]

He has zero experience as a HC which is a completely different job than coordinator, as has been proven time and again by great coordinators failures as HC. The Bears acquired a very successful college kicker that was set to be the Raiders kicker before a groin injury. So his resume is infinitely more complete at the job he will be tasked to do...kick vs LaFleur's as a HC.
So what you would still say is incorrect.

Kicking in college is different than kicking in NFL as there are a lot of failed kickers that were good in college. He has yet to make a kick in a real regular season NFL game.

By contrast LaFleur has been coaching in the actual NFL for around a decade. Not sure why you think college resume trumps NFL experience but to each his own. Calling his resume infinitely more complete is delusional though. Homerism at its finest.

Don't think there are many people that legitimately think Packers HC hire is worse than Bears kicking situation at this point. That may change as season progresses.

 

[iueyedoc]

Kicking in college is different than kicking in NFL as there are a lot of failed kickers that were good in college. He has yet to make a kick in a real regular season NFL game.

By contrast LaFleur has been coaching in the actual NFL for around a decade. Not sure why you think college resume trumps NFL experience but to each his own. Calling his resume infinitely more complete is delusional though. Homerism at its finest.

Don't think there are many people that legitimately think Packers HC hire is worse than Bears kicking situation at this point. That may change as season progresses.

Piniero has successful experience kicking a football through uprights, the same job he is tasked with as a Bear. LaFleur has zero, so infinitely less, as a HC.

This is fact. You always harp on people for facts, so here they are. What happens going forward is up for debate, but your statement that his resume is better is just factually incorrect. It's as if you think being an OR assistant, makes you instantly qualified to be a surgeon more so than a resident being elevated to attending surgeon.

 

[remydat]

Piniero has successful experience kicking a football through uprights, the same job he is tasked with as a Bear. LaFleur has zero, so infinitely less, as a HC.

This is fact. You always harp on people for facts, so here they are. What happens going forward is up for debate, but your statement that his resume is better is just factually incorrect. It's as if you think being an OR assistant, makes you instantly qualified to be a surgeon more so than a resident being elevated to attending surgeon.

Resumes aren't solely judged on whether a person has experience in the exact role. By this stupid logic Nagy was less qualified than Pinnero which is absurd.

Your analogy is dumb as virtually all NFL HCs originally start out as assistant coaches so it is a natural progression. An assistant coach is more akin to a resident than an OR assistant in your example because it is the natural starting point to eventually becoming a HC.

 

[iueyedoc]

Resumes aren't solely judged on whether a person has experience in the exact role. By this stupid logic Nagy was less qualified than Pinnero which is absurd.

Your analogy is dumb as virtually all NFL HCs originally start out as assistant coaches so it is a natural progression. An assistant coach is more akin to a resident than an OR assistant in your example because it is the natural starting point to eventually becoming a HC.

You are welcome to your opinion, however misguided, but your factual statement about resumes was and is factually incorrect. It just is.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Your analogy is dumb as virtually all NFL HCs originally start out as assistant coaches so it is a natural progression. An assistant coach is more akin to a resident than an OR assistant in your example because it is the natural starting point to eventually becoming a HC.

Makes no sense. Starting out in a menial position is normal for all careers. By that logic, if a lot of CEOs delivered newspapers when they were kids, we should just promote the newspaper boy to CEO.

For an NFL team to hire a new HC who has no HC experience at any level is kind of risky. HC and assistant coach are different jobs, obviously.

 

[truthbedamned]

I clicked on this link knowing I had read it yesterday. When I saw that it had jumped 3 pages in less than 24 hours I immediately knew remy was back vortexing.

WB remy.

 

[remydat]

You are welcome to your opinion, however misguided, but your factual statement about resumes was and is factually incorrect. It just is.

College experience does not trump actual professional experience. A guy with 10 years in the industry applying for his first manager job is still seen as having more experience than a college student applying for their fist job. So your analogy here is just dumb.

Makes no sense. Starting out in a menial position is normal for all careers. By that logic, if a lot of CEOs delivered newspapers when they were kids, we should just promote the newspaper boy to CEO.

For an NFL team to hire a new HC who has no HC experience at any level is kind of risky. HC and assistant coach are different jobs, obviously.

Your analogy makes no sense. There is a huge gap between newspaper guy and CEO vs Offensive Coordinator and Head Coach. In particular, OCs making it to head coach represents a large portion of NFL coaching hires. I know of few if any newspaper boys that went from selling newspapers to immediately being CEO.

Ya'll are just getting dumber with these analogies.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

College experience does not trump actual professional experience. A guy with 10 years in the industry applying for his first manager job is still seen as having more experience than a college student applying for their fist job. So your analogy here is just dumb.

The managerial jobs in my area require at the very least a college bachelor's degree. Yes, a person with 10 years in the industry would "be seen as having more experience" than a college graduate...congratulations on that logic. It would be like saying you don't understand why NFL teams draft kickers, when there are thousands of current people who have NFL experience...we'll just ignore the fact that most NFL players aren't kickers. Good work.

 

[iueyedoc]

College experience does not trump actual professional experience. A guy with 10 years in the industry applying for his first manager job is still seen as having more experience than a college student applying for their fist job. So your analogy here is just dumb.

Goodness gracious you are having a hard time.

LaFleur is a department manager applying to manage the entire store and employees. Zero experience at the position

Piniero is a guy actually doing the job stepping up in class like an accountant of 10 years applying to be an accountant at Ernst and Young. You act like Piniero studied theory in FG kicking in college without ever doing it. He kicked in front of larger crowds in The Swamp and other SEC stadiums than he will ever in the NFL.

Once again wrong on resume, even more wrong on the analogy.

 

[remydat]

The managerial jobs in my area require at the very least a college bachelor's degree. Yes, a person with 10 years in the industry would "be seen as having more experience" than a college graduate...congratulations on that logic. It would be like saying you don't understand why NFL teams draft kickers, when there are thousands of current people who have NFL experience...we'll just ignore the fact that most NFL players aren't kickers. Good work.

And because they have more experience by extension they can be seen has having a better resume. Not sure what you are arguing at this point. LaFleur and Nagy had relevant NFL experience that is seen as one of the prerequisites of getting an NFL HC gig. That trumps a kicker with no NFL experience coming off a groin injury.

 

[remydat]

Goodness gracious you are having a hard time.

LaFleur is a department manager applying to manage the entire store and employees. Zero experience at the position

Piniero is a guy actually doing the job stepping up in class like an accountant of 10 years applying to be an accountant at Ernst and Young. You act like Piniero studied theory in FG kicking in college without ever doing it. He kicked in front of larger crowds in The Swamp and other SEC stadiums than he will ever in the NFL.

Once again wrong on resume, even more wrong on the analogy.

I am in the accounting profession so your example is even dumber. The vast majority of people reach the next level by spending time at the level below them. So an accounting Manager will be someone that spent time as a Senior Associate and had no actual Manager experience prior to then becoming a Manager. Just like a lot of HCs will be assistants with no prior HC experience prior to becoming a head coach.

So I have no idea what you are going on about. Pineiro is akin to a college student interviewing for an Associate position. LaFleur and Nagy would be like guys that already spent 10-15 years at Associate, Senior, Manager and now looking to become Partners. They would not have had previous Partner experience but their resume has the relevant experience to be considered for the Partner position.

 

[modo]

A questionable coach is better than a questionable kicker?

 

[Rory Sparrow]

And because they have more experience by extension they can be seen has having a better resume. Not sure what you are arguing at this point. LaFleur and Nagy had relevant NFL experience that is seen as one of the prerequisites of getting an NFL HC gig. That trumps a kicker with no NFL experience coming off a groin injury.

LaFleur injured, tho

Your term of 'relevant experience' appears to be a sticking point, no? Are you surprised that some jobs in industry require college degrees, and others don't, and the ones that require college degrees tend to not hire people who don't have college degrees regardless of industry experience?

I'm guessing Piniero has more experience kicking ball through uprights than LaFleur has running NFL organization. I'm guessing running an NFL organization is a bit more complicated, hence the increase in pay. Not sure what is going on here.

 

[modo]

I haven’t read through this but telling one of the best QBs of all time that he will need to be retrained at age 35 seems whack, yo.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

I am in the accounting profession so your example is even dumber. The vast majority of people reach the next level by spending time at the level below them. So an accounting Manager will be someone that spent time as a Senior Associate and had no actual Manager experience prior to then becoming a Manager. Just like a lot of HCs will be assistants with no prior HC experience prior to becoming a head coach.

Who knew that the level below NFL kicker was college kicker? Amirite?

I can't imagine the lunacy that must take place at your job. Do you hire college graduates, and then give them 5-6 years of professional training before they can perform a menial task, like reconciling invoices?

 

[iueyedoc]

So I have no idea what you are going on about. Pineiro is akin to a college student interviewing for an Associate position.

That's just moronic. College students take class and learn theory, Piniero did the job.
You are too focused on the word college to make a reasoned argument.

Nothing can be more appropriate than a sports analogy since sports are a unique job environment.
So,
A successful triple AAA 1st baseman being promoted to the majors based on his performance as a 1st baseman at a lower level has a much more complete resume at his promoted position than a major league hitting coach being promoted to manager.

How anyone could think otherwise is, to me, unknowable and to state otherwise is either dishonest or ignorant.

Hell, a successful kicker has less new variables to deal with than a rising baseball player facing increase pitching talent while a promoted coordinator is forced to deal with a side of the ball he has no experience in, call plays in an instant and manage personalities in a way he has never before.

 

[iueyedoc]

A questionable coach is better than a questionable kicker?

Short sweet and on point

 

[modo]

Short sweet and on point

I prefer pithy responses.

Why is there gnashing of teeth over bringing in a college kicker?

Sure it’s a question mark. All college players are.

If our biggest problem is “Do we have the right kicker”, then you’ve locked down all the other positions on the team. That’s a pretty successful off season.