Tyrus not being shopped and some BG talk

[PJ Brown]

dougthonus wrote:

Tyrus can do some things well defensively.

Generating steals and blocking shots are things he does very well as a big man. Clearly, that has some defensive value. Tyrus also does some things not so well defensively. He doesn't box out or rebound great though his rebound rate is similar to Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire he's not bringing their offense to the table.

Tyrus has things he could work on, and I think it's largely an understanding of the game. Knowing when he needs to help and when he needs to box out, or to some extent, the Bulls may be better having him always help, but then they need someone who's a beast on the defensive glass next to him, and Noah/Miller aren't those guys. Maybe Noah becomes that guy.

I don't think a Tyrus/Noah tandem is the answer simply because the talent level isn't high enough. Maybe both Tyrus and Noah develop into starting caliber players, but they're both most likely to develop into the weaker starter you'd want in your front court. You need someone who's got legit all star talent up there, and neither of these guys appears to be it (though Tyrus still has some chance to put it together).

This last paragraph reflects why I feel Tyrus won't be a Bull for long. It's not because he is no good or won't get better--he's OK, at times actually good, and will continue to slowly improve--it's because Noah is much closer to being where he needs to be and together they aren't good enough to take the team further. The team's logic is almost certainly that Noah is your supporting starting big and now we need to go find our featured starting big. If Tyrus can help facilitate the acquisition, it's a no brainer. If he can't, it doesn't really hurt you to keep him around on his rookie deal. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets dealt on draft day either, but I don't think it's imperative to dump him--I'd list that as a bad idea, given that he is likely to show improvement each year.

By biggest gripe on his game has always been his brain. And while I think all should concede, he seems to grasp more things every year, it's hard to imagine him not always being somewhat limited in the basketball IQ department. There is a threshold, however, where his athleticism and talent can carry him above his mental errors--we see it emerge at times during the season. I'm just less sure the Bulls are set to wait and see if and when that day comes and stays.

 

[Ralphb07]

houheffna wrote:

What irks me about Tyrus is that he is not where he is supposed to be on either side of the floor. Blocked shots are sooooooooo...overrated. They just hand DPOY to block shot leaders but there are highly skilled players who don't have those type of stats who shut down their opponents, like Scottie Pippen.

Which a nice defensive guru Asst would be perfect. Tyrus needs someone to teach him the game more on that side. He has the tools to be a very great defender we just need someone to help him a bit.

I'm always back and forth on Tyrus. I want Amare or Bosh but if we can't get one I am completely cool with Tyrus because IMO he made strides and that's a really good sign.

As bad as his playoff experience might of been the strides he made throughout the season trumps the playoff performance IMO.

Tyrus has proven that he will put the work in and at only 22 years of age he can still make another jump.

I wanna see what Tyrus can do this season before we all write him off. I know he is already working out and it's only May so that's a good sign

Bernie, Del and Bobby O have all done a good job but IMO we should hire a young defensive specialist to form this defense a bit.... IMO I think Eric Snow would be a nice choice of replacing Myers on the staff

 

[pinkizdead]

SouL EateR wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:
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I guess it was another guy wearing #24 that had 91 steals and 151 blocks for the Bulls this season, to me that counts as defense no ?

boxing out and staying infront of your man counts too. which one does he do more of?

 

[pinkizdead]

SouL EateR wrote:

2cndcity can you atleast agree than Tyrus has shown progression in his defense since his rookie season ? Imo during the Celtics series he did a pretty good job of blocking alot of there gaurds lay up attempts once they got past there defender.

i'll agree with you as long as you replace the word, 'defense' with the words 'blocking' and 'stealing'. there isn't much doubt that tyrus is a great weak side defender. it's why i liken him to the birdman. niether are good one on one defenders, but they do prove to be good weak side defenders. They're both the slasher type. i dont see tyrus becoming a beast in the post. he's a short guy, and he's skinny. I dont think he's a post answer at all. As fred says, you need to have some width to be a post player, tyrus is too narrow. he will always be good at drunking the ball though. he might even become better at rebounding.

it's fun to watch him play, but i dont think he's amazing.

 

[houheffna]

Which a nice defensive guru Asst would be perfect. Tyrus needs someone to teach him the game more on that side. He has the tools to be a very great defender we just need someone to help him a bit.

I'm always back and forth on Tyrus. I want Amare or Bosh but if we can't get one I am completely cool with Tyrus because IMO he made strides and that's a really good sign.

As bad as his playoff experience might of been the strides he made throughout the season trumps the playoff performance IMO.

Tyrus has proven that he will put the work in and at only 22 years of age he can still make another jump.

I wanna see what Tyrus can do this season before we all write him off. I know he is already working out and it's only May so that's a good sign

Bernie, Del and Bobby O have all done a good job but IMO we should hire a young defensive specialist to form this defense a bit.... IMO I think Eric Snow would be a nice choice of replacing Myers on the staff

That is a very good idea...but these are situations the front office should have considered already. They need a big man coach too.

As far as Tyrus goes, what exactly is he working on? I wish he would work on his defense. He worked a lot on his jumpshot, the result was him standing on the wing clapping his hands, wanting the ball like he's a allstar. So I am more concerned with what he is working on.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Simeon2UC wrote:

According to his twitter - which I checked out today - he's serious about becoming great.

Well that changes everything now.

 

[SouL EateR]

pinkizdead wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

2cndcity can you atleast agree than Tyrus has shown progression in his defense since his rookie season ? Imo during the Celtics series he did a pretty good job of blocking alot of there gaurds lay up attempts once they got past there defender.

i'll agree with you as long as you replace the word, 'defense' with the words 'blocking' and 'stealing'. there isn't much doubt that tyrus is a great weak side defender. it's why i liken him to the birdman. niether are good one on one defenders, but they do prove to be good weak side defenders. They're both the slasher type. i dont see tyrus becoming a beast in the post. he's a short guy, and he's skinny. I dont think he's a post answer at all. As fred says, you need to have some width to be a post player, tyrus is too narrow. he will always be good at drunking the ball though. he might even become better at rebounding.

it's fun to watch him play, but i dont think he's amazing.

No matter how you word it blocks and steals are defensive categories there fore there are considered defense..I believe in one of your earler posts you said Tyrus plays no defense.That statement is wrong..The comparison of Ty and Birdman is ok except Tyrus has somewhat of a decent jumper and Birdman dosent really have one at all..

 

[houheffna]

Birdman is a smarter player.

 

[pinkizdead]

he's also taller.