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    Quote Originally Posted by garapp View Post
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    It's noble that the Cubs want to work with Russell and keep him.But not considering trading Schwarber is, IMO, a big mistake.To trade for talent you have to trade talent
    Cubs needs offense and Schwarbie produce that and has not even reach his full potenional. Trading him would leave a hole on this team.

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    Cubs really need a late inning lefty to replace Wilson. They have no one.

    If Edwards doesnít bounce back they have Alozay in AAA. So this is not a need.

    So in the pen they need a lefty. Every thing else is fluff

    Starting 8. The 2 spots that are indebate is CF and SS. And that point could also be solved internally.

    Say Schwarber breaks out Rizzo and Bryant return to 5 WAR. Baez hovers 3-5 WAR. This is honestly a very realistic situation where you are getting 20 WAR out of these 4 hitters. The rest of the line up is built around them.

    Iím sorry those 4 are your hitting core. You build around them.
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    Why would you trade Babe Ruth?
    Cause a Snickers is better!
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    SO is anyone on the block or is Theo just sitting on his hands?

    It's clear the team was missing SOMETHING last year and it wasn't just Yu Darvish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimson View Post
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    SO is anyone on the block or is Theo just sitting on his hands?

    It's clear the team was missing SOMETHING last year and it wasn't just Yu Darvish.
    Lead off. Also Bryant. Boston had their mvp as a 1 hitter and a silver slugger as a 4. Harper only works if Rizzo leads off opening day. Rizzo goes into god mode ahead of Bryant.

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    Babe Ruth consistently hit in the .300's, hit 60 homers in 1927, and regularly hit 50 or more.Comparing Schwarber to Ruth is silly.

    Some fans make good points about Kyle's age, etc, and if he hits 40 homers and bats .280, I will side with you guys..

    So if Schwarbs is the reincarnation of the Babe, can we see him hitting against most lefties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Lead off. Also Bryant. Boston had their mvp as a 1 hitter and a silver slugger as a 4. Harper only works if Rizzo leads off opening day. Rizzo goes into god mode ahead of Bryant.
    and we never let our MVP candidate try as a 1. I think it was one game, either way it was never enough.

    If someone did a bang for the buck list, I am pretty sure Schwarber ends up pretty damn high on the list. When he is making 4-5 million, he will still be top 20. But we should at least wait til he gets paid more to rip this guy.

    It takes a while for a guy to accept he is not good enough to play the position he has played, its the same problem the round robin of leadoff hitters have. You get the shot, you produce, and you stop. In Schwarbers case, he worked his ass off becoming a better left fielder and guess what, he is pulled in close games.

    Yeah, Joe gets the mental side of baseball players, but sometimes he does not see the mind cufks he is doing to these guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anotheridiot View Post
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    and we never let our MVP candidate try as a 1. I think it was one game, either way it was never enough.

    If someone did a bang for the buck list, I am pretty sure Schwarber ends up pretty damn high on the list. When he is making 4-5 million, he will still be top 20. But we should at least wait til he gets paid more to rip this guy.

    It takes a while for a guy to accept he is not good enough to play the position he has played, its the same problem the round robin of leadoff hitters have. You get the shot, you produce, and you stop. In Schwarbers case, he worked his ass off becoming a better left fielder and guess what, he is pulled in close games.

    Yeah, Joe gets the mental side of baseball players, but sometimes he does not see the mind cufks he is doing to these guy.
    You realize that Javy’s OBA was .326 which was only beat by EVERYONE except Almora (again sketchy lead off solution), Russell (bench warmer), Bote (x2), Cartiani (x3).

    So you could honestly say of the starting 8 THAT HE IS THE WORST POSSIBLE LEADOFF OPTION.

    So please stop with the nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    You realize that Javy’s OBA was .326 which was only beat by EVERYONE except Almora (again sketchy lead off solution), Russell (bench warmer), Bote (x2), Cartiani (x3).

    So you could honestly say of the starting 8 THAT HE IS THE WORST POSSIBLE LEADOFF OPTION.

    So please stop with the nonsense.
    You're arguing with a guy who insisted it wouldn't be hard for Baez to get his BB% up to league average (which would require doubling it) so that he could be shoehorned into leading off next year.

    Yes, it's nonsense.

    Yes, you're wasting your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    You're arguing with a guy who insisted it wouldn't be hard for Baez to get his BB% up to league average (which would require doubling it) so that he could be shoehorned into leading off next year.

    Yes, it's nonsense.

    Yes, you're wasting your time.
    Fair enuf

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Lead off. Also Bryant. Boston had their mvp as a 1 hitter and a silver slugger as a 4. Harper only works if Rizzo leads off opening day. Rizzo goes into god mode ahead of Bryant.
    Top 6:

    Rizzo
    Bryant
    Harper
    Baez
    Schwarber
    Contreras

    That's a winner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
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    Top 6:

    Rizzo
    Bryant
    Harper
    Baez
    Schwarber
    Contreras

    That's a winner!
    Bat Zobrist leadoff, Rizzo #5, Schwarber #6, Contreas #7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor76 View Post
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    Bat Zobrist leadoff, Rizzo #5, Schwarber #6, Contreas #7.
    Rizzo too far down at 5. I want him higher in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohnson View Post
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    Rizzo too far down at 5. I want him higher in the lineup.
    True, but then you have Baez sandwiched between Harper and Rizzo, both high OBP guys and stable bats. Either way, that lineup should be murderous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor76 View Post
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    True, but then you have Baez sandwiched between Harper and Rizzo, both high OBP guys and stable bats. Either way, that lineup should be murderous.
    Zo is a 70% playing time hitter. You really want a more stable top. The only reason to sign Harper is because you are thinking Rizzo is a premiere lead off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbeard View Post
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    You're arguing with a guy who insisted it wouldn't be hard for Baez to get his BB% up to league average (which would require doubling it) so that he could be shoehorned into leading off next year.

    Yes, it's nonsense.

    Yes, you're wasting your time.
    Not me, fuck BB%, I got no time for that while the guys you people adore for walking also ground right into the fucking shift. At least Javy shows he can go to opposite field when he wants.

    You keep a guy in a power position in the lineup, he is expected to drive in runs. I am pretty sure you put Javy in a position to get on base and cause havoc on the basepads and he will adjust. You just keep taking the responsibility off of the rizzos and bryants for not driving in the runs.

    Arguing? Just discussion forum guy, you are the only one that gets all pissy and calls these arguments. I guess Javy's runner up in the MVP voting was a fluke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Zo is a 70% playing time hitter. You really want a more stable top. The only reason to sign Harper is because you are thinking Rizzo is a premiere lead off.
    I can understand that. I'm an Almora in lead off fan as he's done well in that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castor76 View Post
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    I can understand that. I'm an Almora in lead off fan as he's done well in that spot.
    Limited exposure. I wouldn’t expect more than a .330 OBA. He is a 4th OF

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSF77 View Post
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    Limited exposure. I wouldn’t expect more than a .330 OBA. He is a 4th OF
    And my suggestion is batting him Lead Off versus LHP, and giving him some shots versus RHP. He has limited exposure period. Unless traded, Zobrist is more than capable of doing the job the majority of this season.

    A lot of people are high on Schwarber being in the #5 or 6 slot. The first would definitely be considered a prime RBI slot on this team. While he can have a break-out like Javy last year and I'm hoping for it, his slash line for his career so far w/ RISP is .184/327/376. No one's driving in runners from 2nd with a .184 average.

    Almora has no walk rate to speak of really, but in his limited time when asked to lead off, he's gotten the job done fairly well. If a guy needs to hit .330 to have a decent enough OBP and does it, should it matter?

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