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So never?
So never?
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I honestly don't know what to think about the Broncos. On one hand, Elway Gm'ed the team to 2 Super Bowls and won one. He had the guts to fire a AFC conference champion HC and bring in the new coach to take them to the next level. Most GMs would never have the guts to define "next level" as a Super Bowl win but would be content to say they have "arrived" at the top levels already. That speaks to Elway as a top-notch competitor imo.
Yet, the stories of his meddling with coaches and assistant-level personnel also strikes of hubris that can backfire and be the source of the direct opposite of inspiration. For Fangio, it is a no-brainer. he does this and it doesn't work then he just goes back to being what he is best at: DC.
For Broncos fans, the nightmare scenario is that it was never Elway but Manning and the D (Manning priamrily getting to first SB and the D winning the other SB) and now Elway doesn't have the GM chops to re-build offensively as he had the GM chops to bring in the greatest free agent QB in the history of free agency.
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He's obviously picking his own D guys.
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Disagree. Elway should have meddled more, forcing Vance Joseph to retain Wade Phillips as the DC. He let Joseph get rid of Phillips, which IMO is the biggest factor in Denver's recent struggles (other than Vance Joseph himself).
[video=youtube;9F0f013sLIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0f013sLIo[/video]
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This is not really surprising.
It would have been nice to keep him, he has done an incredible job with the DBs.
There was always going to be turnover. I guess I am less concerned because of all the development that has happened already. It is not like Fuller is going to forget everything that Fangio taught him and revert back to the Mel Tucker version.
It would have been nice to keep him, he has done an incredible job with the DBs.
There was always going to be turnover. I guess I am less concerned because of all the development that has happened already. It is not like Fuller is going to forget everything that Fangio taught him and revert back to the Mel Tucker version.
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Because mike brown has a trait I think would work as a coach. I don’t see that trait in Briggs urlacher Tillman but brown had that. Always saw him as a future coach
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Has Mike Brown ever talked about coaching?
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On that video note...
[video=youtube;4BQLE_RrTSU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQLE_RrTSU[/video]
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How are you even remotely surprised? This is literally CCS' and Bears fans' go to every time a player or coach worth a shit leaves. Jilted lover / psycho ex-girlfriend syndrome.
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There is nothing to figure out here. Elway bought the Broncos a SB. He will never do it through the draft. Especially because he is such an intrusive spaz. Right on par with Jerry Jones if not worse at this point. I appreciate everything Fangio did for us these past four years but he really didn't put himself in a good spot with Elway running the show completely.
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Not that I know of but it’s something many speculated back in the good lovie days
He’s pretty much disappeared from pro football since retiring
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And maybe he prefers it that way.
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What if both Vic and Ed are paid roughly double what they were in Chicago. Might you understand how it's a good move?
Also for Ed, maybe he's not a fan of Pagano. We are just assuming all these coaches or coordinators love playing for our team because they they have a special place in our heart.
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Bolded represents supposition and allegations reported as facts that I am unwilling/unable to believe without further evidence. Elway doesn't run the show completely in the sense that he allows defensive HCs like Joseph and Fangio to do what they want defensively while he maneuvers things on the offensive side of the ball including letting Joseph let Wade go.
Jerry Jones on the other hand has been far more reasonable than he was in the past in listening to his football people and drafting OL instead of Manziel etc. Where Elway is on the "Jerry Jones control freak" spectrum is speculation that I suspect you don't know - including where Jones is himself at this point.
But glad to know that "there is nothing to figure out" and Denver is screwed because you know he is spazzing. I love being set straight by experts on CCS.
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Well, until someone has experience with coaching let's just focus on getting qualified coaching candidates.
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Disagree. If anyone would know what an intrusive spaz is, it would be xer0h0ur. I am deferring to his judgement on this one.
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The other issue that is not being talked about here is the issues the Bowlen family is currently going through. Once Pat dies it might take awhile to figure out who is signing the checks.
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Bradley Chubb...12 sacks...bad pick. I guess I need to hear more about Anthony Miller's 423 receiving yards.
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Yeah, that's a tough deal. I can't imagine what would happen to the Bears if McCaskey kids started dying off...who would be calling the plays?
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Agreed.
I remember reading a psychology article about great athletes making for poor coaches. The idea was they were so skilled, they did not think while performing, and therefore could not explain what they did.
They did an experiment with golfers. Had great pro players hit 4 foot putts, and the same for inexperienced players who have coached or taught. They had half the pros write describing their putts, and half not. Same with the coaches/teachers. On the second putt, the pros who described their first shot in writing did terribly, the ones who didn't write did the same as previously. The coaches had a slight improvement on 2nd go for both those who wrote and didn't.
Kind of ties in with the idea of players playing better by using instincts, and not thinking.
Interesting.
