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I can't wait to hear the strangled logic answers for these questions.
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So the “sophomore” slump up now applies to the second year in a system?
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You are allowed to have an opinion. I am not "right about the Bears" since I have made no claim regarding their growth or regression or whatever value they will end up falling on for that spectrum in 2019.
I asked specifically why you are confident in growth outside of your opinion they seem to have their shit together.
I can "see no reason to believe" the Bears have their shit together while other new arrivals to the playoffs last year failed to return to the playoffs this year did not "have their shit together" for 2018. What is the difference between 2017 Dolphins and 2018 Bears so that I can see why the 2019 Bears will not possibly be the next new playoff team to fail to return to the playoffs?
PS Again, the question does not imply an inverse claim to your hypothesis. For my own opinion, I have not enough evidence to predict growth or regression or anything yet for 2019 at all.
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I love the fact you put sophomore in quotes.
QBs slumping happens all the time regardless of Year 2 in the league or Year 2 in a system. Again I am not claiming a slump will happen, only that it can happen and would undermine his "no reason to believe the Bears will not take the next step".
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There's really no point in telling you how I interpret the "eye test" as each individual's opinion is unique and you could come up with an infinite number of "counter" opinions and comparisons to other teams. I can't make any "claims" either since no one KNOWS what the future holds for ANY team. Stats can even be sited but they have can't even accurately predict success/failure. The point of forums like these are for sharing opinions.
My "opinion" just happens to be that the Bears are still ascending and I believe we'll see that continue in 2019.
My reasons are:
Nagy having a year of running the show under his belt
Trubs in his second year of the same offense and a better understanding of everything from routes, personnel, timing, playbook, etc..
Still a relatively young and healthy team
Solid to great Defense
Winning culture is emerging
Now of course you can't quantify any of this and I know that's what you're looking for. So, I'll stick with my opinion and you keep searching for what you need to form your own.
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Side note:
I allowed JAX to be taken off the list of teams that had it together last year but fell apart because yeah, Bortles does suck.
But I shouldn't have because the 2017 Jaguars are a great example of a team that played great (even Bortles in the postseason was on fire and played very well and as a matter of fact has better playoff games with higher playoff QB ratings than Mitch and Goff and Wentz etc).
The fact that Bortles returned to Earth in 18 is exactly why that effect reverberated through the whole team and a championship caliber defense crashed and the defense itself also fell apart this year.
That long-reaching effect of a QB not elevating his game is one of the reasons why it is a great question to ask here.
This is NOT "is Trubisky just the next Bortles?" He isn't. I mean- he ALREADY isn't in a few ways.
But the weak link for 2018 Bears was a young, growing QB in Trubisky with a young, learning HC.
Given that, if Mitch doesn't take it to the next level in 2019, then how could anyone expect or have reason to believe the Bears to take it to the next level outside of the QB anyway?
I allowed JAX to be taken off the list of teams that had it together last year but fell apart because yeah, Bortles does suck.
But I shouldn't have because the 2017 Jaguars are a great example of a team that played great (even Bortles in the postseason was on fire and played very well and as a matter of fact has better playoff games with higher playoff QB ratings than Mitch and Goff and Wentz etc).
The fact that Bortles returned to Earth in 18 is exactly why that effect reverberated through the whole team and a championship caliber defense crashed and the defense itself also fell apart this year.
That long-reaching effect of a QB not elevating his game is one of the reasons why it is a great question to ask here.
This is NOT "is Trubisky just the next Bortles?" He isn't. I mean- he ALREADY isn't in a few ways.
But the weak link for 2018 Bears was a young, growing QB in Trubisky with a young, learning HC.
Given that, if Mitch doesn't take it to the next level in 2019, then how could anyone expect or have reason to believe the Bears to take it to the next level outside of the QB anyway?
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Yeah but you are using some facts outside of your opinion and your "eye test" is biased towards the team you love.
All of your bolded reasons can be applied to 2017 JAX and even more so because they went much further in the playoffs than 2018 Bears. The Jaguars not only failed to return but lost more games than they won the VERY year after they went to the AFC Conference Championship game vs. NE.
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Alright, so I have my opinion on the direction of the Bears. What's yours?
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I guarantee last year JAX message boards were filled with fans seeing no reason to believe that the Jaguars were not poised to take the next step next year. And the Dolphins. And the Vikings. And the Falcons.
Playoff teams that fail at one particular level (be it WC or divisional or whatever) do not usually get the opportunity to "finish business" and grow linearly by getting farther next year until the year comes where they win it all. Just doesn't work like that. It can work like that at times in history but it is rare
and I know of no metric or analysis to reliably predict that result for the Bears resulting in anyone with a rational mind bursting with confidence.
"Nagy > Trestman" maybe? I can be on board with that reasoning to a degree but it is slightly disingenuous to claim "opinion" while also giving analysis as a basis for that opinion.
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I do not have enough information yet to form an opinion on the 2019 Bears.
Neither do you it seems. We primarily disagree on the scope of fact-based opinions in the sense that my opinions need to be based on facts outside my beliefs and your opinions need only your belief system to be formed.
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So, I'm optimistic about the Bears upcoming season. Your response is that there is no reason for such optimism. I can only go on how things are as of today. Obviously things can change to alter my opinion. However, as of right now the Bears are coming off a season where they won the division after finishing last for the prior 3 seasons and won 9 of their final 10 games. Of the 5 games they lost they were always had a chance and never blown out as in recent seasons. Yes, bad things can happen but as it stand today the future looks bright.
You've used examples (JAX) of why you think otherwise. You've also mentioned some "sophomore slump" as if that's a given. These must be your "feelings" leading to your opinion. That's fine. You roll with that and I won't grill you for some nonexistent proof that one's opinion is worth more than another's.
Have a great day and stay safe.
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No, but I wish I had.Did you make this???
