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Well the thing there is that the top schools recruit the best talent all over the team, which is why they're able to stay dominant. You couldn't replicate that in the NFL.
Well the thing there is that the top schools recruit the best talent all over the team, which is why they're able to stay dominant. You couldn't replicate that in the NFL.
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My thought was you could recruit/sign great talent all over the team and get away with middling qb play.
Losing talent to fa wouldn't have to happen as much, and you would have cap room to fill out a team with the extra money saved.
I get your point about teams like Alabama that get the best recruits, but they also seem to have middling QB's frequently.
In this scenario I also don't think you draft a QB in the first round very often as you want to get your fifth year option on the guys you are going to keep around.
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Never said they would. I said I would dump or trade him unless I was convinced he was a great QB.
You seem confused.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ben-roethlisberger-3595/cash-earnings/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/matt-ryan-3983/cash-earnings/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/philip-rivers-3522/cash-earnings/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/drew-brees-4542/cash-earnings/
None of those guys made the kind of money you have to pay Goff or Trubs at the end of their rookie contract so they are irrelevant to the discussion.
Further, Watson, Trubs, Mahommes have 3 more years to prove themselves so not sure you point. I don't know if I would get rid of them because they aren't even halfway through their rookie deal. Goff threw for 32 TDs this year and was top 10 in several categories. If he has 2 more years like that then he would perhaps be worth a new contract. If he regresses or flounders then he wouldn't. I made a qualified statement. I did not claim I was dumping them right now.
No you missed the cost and time element. I said I wouldn't pay 25 million. None of the other examples you gave were making 25 million a year at end of rookie deal. Further, there is no reason to dump anyone now when Trubs still has 3 years to prove himself and Goff 2 more years. What part of at the end of their rookie contract did you not understand?
Reading comprehension is fundamental. You should try it sometime.
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Again, I never said Goff was average. I said I would dump or trade him if he wasn't great. I agree he had a great year this year and the question is whether he can replicate over the course of the next 2 years. Hence why I said, "If for whatever reason Goff or Trubisky are not the answer." We don't know that yet. The point was not to jump the gun and sign dudes off of one great season or off of potential. Let their rookie deals play out and pull the trigger only if they show they can be consistently great.
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He was just so bad in the Superbowl. I mean there were moments he seemed to forget how to throw a football, let alone read a defense. Just horrible.
For his future it's a complete unknown. He had some great and horrible stretches this year. With the QB position you have to commit to him, but if he starts slow next year people will be wondering if he's there guy.
I'd add, the same chatter is there for Wentz. Some of the fan base would like to run with Foles just because they feel he's a known asset in the Superbowl. I could see some people become anti-Goff because they also feel he's a known liability in the Superbowl.
For his future it's a complete unknown. He had some great and horrible stretches this year. With the QB position you have to commit to him, but if he starts slow next year people will be wondering if he's there guy.
I'd add, the same chatter is there for Wentz. Some of the fan base would like to run with Foles just because they feel he's a known asset in the Superbowl. I could see some people become anti-Goff because they also feel he's a known liability in the Superbowl.
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I think yall should keep Foles too. Where do i sign?
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That's true, but how many chances at the SB do you get to prove otherwise? I recall Roethesberger had a horrendous first SB and he's probably a HOFer.
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Big Ben was awful in his 1st Superbowl. I think he was the lowest rated QB to win the game. Could be wrong though
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Yeah but they won lol. People react to the outcome more tgan what happened in the game.
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Haven't read through the entire thread yet, but to answer this:
NO! Giving a huge contract to a QB who needs a system and/or great players around him to succeed turns you into Detroit, not the Pats. The worst possible thing ANY team can do is pay top dollar for a middling QB...
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Sorry, but this thread is a waste of space. Goff will sign a generous contract and no doubt continue to improve as he learns his craft.
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Nah, don't be sorry. Goff will sign another contract no doubt.
The linked story was more for fun & trying to have something on the board to talk about today.
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It all really depends on contract structure. The QB market is expensive. Below average QB's are getting PAID. Unless you can comfortably draft and turn out young QB's, it isn't viable to continue to overturn QB's.
Looking around the league, I think the Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins deals are horrible and will put a ceiling on how good the Vikings and falcons can become. These guys got overpaid - Ryan is a good QB but he isn't elite (he had one elite year which got him his contract). Kirk Cousins isn't as good as Ryan but getting just as much money.
The Rams can't get caught up in this type of deal for Goff - He deserves somewhere between 23-25 million per year absolute max.
Speaking of Trubisky, while I am a huge fan of his and his potential, if I had to choose to pay him right now, I wouldn't be giving him anymore than what Tannehill or Keenum got (18-19 million).
Looking around the league, I think the Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins deals are horrible and will put a ceiling on how good the Vikings and falcons can become. These guys got overpaid - Ryan is a good QB but he isn't elite (he had one elite year which got him his contract). Kirk Cousins isn't as good as Ryan but getting just as much money.
The Rams can't get caught up in this type of deal for Goff - He deserves somewhere between 23-25 million per year absolute max.
Speaking of Trubisky, while I am a huge fan of his and his potential, if I had to choose to pay him right now, I wouldn't be giving him anymore than what Tannehill or Keenum got (18-19 million).
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I hear you. And without first or second round draft choices, it will be slow going for a while.
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So with this franchise's incredibly dismal record with quarterbacks, how would you feel if MT left and became a star with another team?
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By the time his contract is up - you will know if he is going to be a star or not. It's only year 2.
Find me a guy who wasn't a "star" and then signed with another team after his rookie contract and became a "star".
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They can keep him cheap next year, use their fifth year option after that, and franchise him the next two years after that. This is a false dilemma.
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Drew Brees?
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In 2004, Drew Brees threw for 27 TD's and 7 INT's and had a QB rating of 104 for the season. Pretty big numbers 15 years ago.
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Trying to protect Goff is what McVay has been trying to do the last quarter of the season. But by doing so, it stripped away all of his ingenuity. It’s hard to scheme guys open when you can only send out 2 to 3 targets on route. He called 7 and 8 man protections most of the super bowl, that’s why receivers were rarely open. Goff needs a completely clean pocket to throw from, and that’s a massive challenge for any offensive coordinator.
Here is the type of pocket Goff regularly threw out of prior to the Bears game...
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