Bears' Robinson on Kareem Hunt: "I think guys would welcome him with open arms"

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And before someone talks about more catches on less targets for Jeffery

Catchable Targets

Jeffery: 89% [82 targets]

Robinson: 68% [64 targets]

In the end Robinson had 18 less catachable targets than Jeffery and still had similar production.
 

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Boy a lot of talk about me just because I think Arob had an underwhelming season, lol.

Just realize how privileged you are. You get to grow up in an amazing country where your ancestors worked for your freedom where hard work can pay off. Then you get a world class degree from a top institution and get handed a job where you get to boss people around while having the time to post on message boards all day.
 

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What does that say about them that they would welcome him with open arms.

That they are human and he deserves a second chance. I mean we all cant rape passed out women behind dumpsters and get 3 months in jail....or get accused of sexual assault and play QB for the Steelers
 

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Catchable Targets

Robinson: 68% True catch rate 85%
Miller: 78% True 78%
Gabriel: 77.5% True 93%
Burton: 75% True 93%
 

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I meant arbitrary for what a 14 million dollar season looks like.

What is the acceptable stat line for a 14 million dollar season?

I don't know about $14 million, but my $15 million season looks like 93 pass completions in 140 attempts for 833 yards, 4 TDs and 5 INTs.
 

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I just think there are too many contextual pieces to say what a 14 million dollar season looks like from a WR. There are the advanced stats to look at, the fact they depend on the QB, how they effect coverages, when they are making their receptions.

If the Bears had won the Wildcard game and it was Robinson making the 3/4 of the biggest catches in the game when it was all on the table, would our assessment change of his season overall.

Simply looking at catches and yards to me is too limited a scope. There are a number of WRs that made similar money and had similar numbers that I doubt fans are upset about.
 

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KC intentionally spreads the wealth as does Philly. They still had WRs or TEs with over 1,000 yards. He underperformed. Still may be better next year and he has a right to say what he wants.

Yeah, KC's Sammy Watkins was the highest paid WR last year at $21.8M, and his numbers paled in comparison to Allen Robinson's. I'm figuring there is going be massive changes made on the offensive side of the ball for KC.
 

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Boy a lot of talk about me just because I think Arob had an underwhelming season, lol.
Ya, I guess we should have kept Cam Meredith. You argue shit like it's the most important thing in the world and when the results are in, complain about being called on it.
 

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Here is the most app comparison in my world

Alshon Jeffery 92 targets, 65 targets, 843 yards, 13 YPC, 6 TDs, 4 drops

Allen Robinson 94 targets, 55 catches, 754 yards, 13.7 YPC, 4 TDs, 2 drops

They make the same money, they had very similar production, both dealt with some QB issues, both played 13 games this season.

Comparing anyone to what KC did is entirely unfair when Mahomes was playing video game football.

If Nagy made ARob the #1 WR and used him as the #1 WR instead of spreading the ball around as much as they did ARob would of put up great stats but you can't put it on ARob that he wasn't used the way KC uses T.Hill or Cincy uses AJ Green or Houston uses D.Hopkins.
 

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Ya, I guess we should have kept Cam Meredith. You argue shit like it's the most important thing in the world and when the results are in, complain about being called on it.

Remy was all over the hating on Pace for not matching the Saints offer to Cam.
 

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To me this is more of an issue with the entire offense and less so with Robinson. I am a little disappointed he was not closer to 1000 yards, but that is also me setting an arbitrary number based on 1000 yards being an important benchmark.

The offense had 3747 passing yards. Robinson accounted for 20% of the total passing offense. I am not sure we should expect anyone player to account for much more than that. When Nagy was OC in KC Tyreek Hill made up 27% of the passing offense, but that was with a more consistent QB and less targets going to the #2 and #2 WR.

The Bears spread the ball around a ton.

Mitch had some real struggles with getting the ball downfield to Robinson specifically.

This was an offensive issue more than a Robinson issue.
 

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Give Robinson, Alshons's catch able targets and his stat line

82 catch able targets, 85% true catch rate, 70 catches, 955 yards, 5 TDs
 

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‘‘From when I met [him] and everything like that, for us to bring him into our locker room, I think guys would welcome him with open arms,’’ Robinson said. ‘‘He’d be one of us. . . .

‘‘A guy they’d bring into our locker room would be our brother.’’

The next obvious line is,

BROs before HOs
 

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Cunningham who would become inactive and not until about midseason. You're awesome at finding dark clouds.

Haltime usually says that there is a damn silver lining fucking up his black cloud.
 

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It's remy's job to find errors and mistakes and look for inefficiencies. I'd probably hire him as my accountant, but not my general manager.

I would hire him as my lawyer in a split second. Reasons are plentiful and obvious.
 

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Here is the most app comparison in my world

Alshon Jeffery 92 targets, 65 targets, 843 yards, 13 YPC, 6 TDs, 4 drops

Allen Robinson 94 targets, 55 catches, 754 yards, 13.7 YPC, 4 TDs, 2 drops

They make the same money, they had very similar production, both dealt with some QB issues, both played 13 games this season.

Comparing anyone to what KC did is entirely unfair when Mahomes was playing video game football.

Is someone claiming that AJ played well last year. He has underwhelmed on that contract as well and was last seen dropping a pass that may have cost the Eagles the game against the Saints. Both of those guys have underperformed.

Ya, I guess we should have kept Cam Meredith. You argue shit like it's the most important thing in the world and when the results are in, complain about being called on it.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. I advocated signing Robinson and keeping Cam. The results are in. ARob underwhelmed and Cam even more so. Cam lack of production doesn't make ARob's stats better so this attempt at whataboutism is odd.

Remy was all over the hating on Pace for not matching the Saints offer to Cam.

Yes I thought it was a bad move. What does that have to do with ARob sucking? If I recall you were in the Mack thread complaining about all the draft picks and how much money we had to pay Mack so what is your point? Your dumbass defended terrible move after terrible move by Pace and then when he goes after a true stud in Mack, you complained.

If left to me we would have had ARob and Cam and pretty much still finished 12-4. If left to you, we wouldn't have traded for Mack because the cost and money was too high and we probably don't make the playoffs. So what are you going on about?
 

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Is someone claiming that AJ played well last year. He has underwhelmed on that contract as well and was last seen dropping a pass that may have cost the Eagles the game against the Saints. Both of those guys have underperformed.

Imagine judging a multi-year contract on one play from that player's most recent game! Drew Brees was "last seen" throwing an INT that cost his team the game against the Rams...underwhelming!
 

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Is someone claiming that AJ played well last year. He has underwhelmed on that contract as well and was last seen dropping a pass that may have cost the Eagles the game against the Saints. Both of those guys have underperformed.

Based on your standards of production?

Is it under performing if a bunch of guys in the same tax bracket are doing it? Is it still under performing if the offense was not overly dynamic in its first year?

My point is that in similar situations as Robinson, similar players perform in a similar way.
 

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Imagine judging a multi-year contract on one play from that player's most recent game! Drew Brees was "last seen" throwing an INT that cost his team the game against the Rams...underwhelming!

Another strawman. I said he underwhelmed on that contract which is a reference to his entire time there. The "and" indicates that the comment about the dropped pass was in addition to the comment about his underwhelming on his contract.

Based on your standards of production?

Is it under performing if a bunch of guys in the same tax bracket are doing it? Is it still under performing if the offense was not overly dynamic in its first year?

My point is that in similar situations as Robinson, similar players perform in a similar way.

If ARob produced at this rate for 3 years, do you honestly think Pace would re-up him for another 14 million a year? Like can we have some objectivity and honesty here please? He underwhelmed. He will need to produce more even in an offense that spreads the ball or the the Bears will almost certainly go looking for a better WR instead of continue to pay him 14 million for middling production.

No team wants to pay 14 million a year for 754 yards. Get real. The Bears are obviously hoping this year is an anomaly and he pick it up next year or he most likely is gone.
 

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If ARob produced at this rate for 3 years, do you honestly think Pace would re-up him for another 14 million a year?

LOL at this. You've gone from judging Jeffery on one play to hypothetically giving Arob 3 years of alleged "underwhelming" performance. Why is it so hard for you to talk about reality (i.e. NFL relative market value)?
 

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