Watson vs Mahomes vs Trubisky: 2017 1st Round QB Year 2 Reflection

[Burque]

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Not imagined, real and not the Beatles.

It was the Beatle that mattered the most....

[Burque]

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Did the Patriots expose him or their Defense that's been exposed all season long?

Probably a little of both. The fact that they put up 24 points in the 4th quarter says a lot about what the Pats D accomplished early.


In the first game of the year they went into halftime down 24-9 I think the D did alright to keep them in it in the second half of that game.

[remydat]

Difficult to say someone was exposed when they hang 31 on you in the second half. Obviously struggled in the 1st half but seemingly figured it out by the 2nd half.

[CRM 114]

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Won’t drop off a cliff but we should expect a drop off In production


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Agreed but his numbers will still likely be significantly better than Mitch's.

[playthrough2001]

I think Mitch is a leader in the mold of Jonathan Toews. He has the same vanilla personality but he’s an incredibly hard worker that is respected by everyone in the locker room. Like Toews, he’s not the most talented guy on the team but he’s more than good enough at his position to help win a championship.

When I look at Mitch, I think Toews. Both were probably over drafted too. The guy drafted right after Toews has over 100 more career points but drafting is an inexact science.

[hebs]

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Imagine Mahomes not being able to sit for a year behind a good veteran QB whos biggest strengths are Mahomes biggest weaknesses and a coaching staff thats been able to groom him, Imagine him being thrust into our starting line up with Fox as his head coach and Inman as his #1 receiver.

If Pace drafts Mahomes, Fox and Inman are both still here. Eff that...

Khalil Mack isn’t here and Roquan Smith is probably drafted before the Bears pick. Again... Eff that.

Getting Nagy was the real win for this franchise. He could be here for the next 25 years.

Having the best QB in the league doesn’t win you 6 Superbowls. (Right Rodgers?) Having the best coach does. And that’s what I’m hoping we got in Nagy here in the coming years.


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[Bearly]

If Mitch turns into a franchise QB, Pace's move and pick were a success. The rest is noise.

[dbldrew]

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Imagine Mahomes not being able to sit for a year behind a good veteran QB whos biggest strengths are Mahomes biggest weaknesses and a coaching staff thats been able to groom him, Imagine him being thrust into our starting line up with Fox as his head coach and Inman as his #1 receiver.

jay cutler 2.0?

[remydat]

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If Pace drafts Mahomes, Fox and Inman are both still here. Eff that...

Khalil Mack isn’t here and Roquan Smith is probably drafted before the Bears pick. Again... Eff that.

Getting Nagy was the real win for this franchise. He could be here for the next 25 years.

Having the best QB in the league doesn’t win you 6 Superbowls. (Right Rodgers?) Having the best coach does. And that’s what I’m hoping we got in Nagy here in the coming years.

What an odd thing to see. It is obvious that the WR corps would have been addressed no matter what. It is also odd to just magically assume Mahomes would have somehow saved Fox's job as Pace would still likely have the desire for a O coach to groom the young QB.

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jay cutler 2.0?

Only on a Bears message board can fans try and find reasons to justify not take a dude with 50 TDs. LMFAO!

[dbldrew]

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Only on a Bears message board can fans try and find reasons to justify not take a dude with 50 TDs. LMFAO!

you think he would of had 50TD under Fox and loggins very predictable playcalling? with no WR? LMFAO

the point your missing is the great Mahomes would never of been the Great Mahomes being thrust into our shit show..

Shit show + gunslinger = Cutler 2.0

[Leon Sandcastle]

Did anyone here expect anything different this season?

I expected Watson > Mahomes > Trubisky

Trubisky was never going to come in and be better in the short term. All we can do is hope he becomes what Pace originally saw in him.

But dont let the "facts" get in the way of the troll fest.

[Armyhawk]

I think Mahomes' production will drop slightly next year but the kid is damn good. I was one of those that wanted Jamal Adams in 2017 but Mahomes was the QB I wanted.

Having said that I'm still happy with Mitch so far and only expect him to get better. What are we going to call this thread next month?

[remydat]

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you think he would of had 50TD under Fox and loggins very predictable playcalling? with no WR? LMFAO

the point your missing is the great Mahomes would never of been the Great Mahomes being thrust into our shit show..

Shit show + gunslinger = Cutler 2.0

Not what I am saying at all. I am saying this dumb hypothetical is a poor attempt by Bears fans to rationalize us passing on a guy that put up 50 TDs this year. If Mahomes had sucked this year then this debate would not exist. Ya'll only coming up with this dumb shit because he had 50 TDs. That is the point.

[Schmidtaki]

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I'm not seeing the similarities. That thread is an opinion piece. This thread is about the facts.

About fact eh? Last time I checked, Watson sucked in the wildcard round and probably played the worst game of his career. Trubisky had a mediocre game but showed at the end that he could put us in a place to win. His second half was good. Those are facts...

[hebs]

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What an odd thing to see. It is obvious that the WR corps would have been addressed no matter what. It is also odd to just magically assume Mahomes would have somehow saved Fox's job as Pace would still likely have the desire for a O coach to groom the young QB.

Why is it odd? If Mahomes squeaks out a 9-7 season with Fox, how can you magically assume Fox would be still be fired? Maybe he just brings in a new OC like DeFillipo?

Or does it just have to fit a narrative you prefer, to be plausible?

For the record, I wanted Mahomes very early in the draft process.

Also for the record, I think you can easily win a Super Bowl with any of the 3.



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[Bigdaddybear]

To this date and statistically yes both have been better but they didn’t have John Fox retarding their development either. I expect him surpass Watson this upcoming season and be pretty close to Mahomes.

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Why is it odd? If Mahomes squeaks out a 9-7 season with Fox, how can you magically assume Fox would be still be fired? Maybe he just brings in a new OC like DeFillipo?

Or does it just have to fit a narrative you prefer, to be plausible?

For the record, I wanted Mahomes very early in the draft process.

Also for the record, I think you can easily win a Super Bowl with any of the 3.



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Fox was already a lame duck with one foot out the door. These are just pathetic attempts to justify passing on the far superior QB. IMO, if Pace had drafted Mahomes we'd have had a historic turnaround and a SB trophy. This season would have been legendary.

Instead we're headed into season four with Trubisky, who's average at best.

[dbldrew]

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Not what I am saying at all. I am saying this dumb hypothetical is a poor attempt by Bears fans to rationalize us passing on a guy that put up 50 TDs this year. If Mahomes had sucked this year then this debate would not exist. Ya'll only coming up with this dumb shit because he had 50 TDs. That is the point.

Except I never said anything on passing up on him in the draft. I responded to sagbear saying that imagine if Mahomes was put into the Bears situation Fox/Shit WR etc..

I replied with Cutler 2.0

you brought 50TD and passing up in the draft to ME. Now the only reason you would bring up the 50TD to me is that you would still think that he would get 50TD under fox/loggans run team and not be cutler 2.0, OR your own vortex has you confused and your applying arguments that you have with others in this thread to me..

[Leon Sandcastle]

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Fox was already a lame duck with one foot out the door. These are just pathetic attempts to justify passing on the far superior QB. IMO, if Pace had drafted Mahomes we'd have had a historic turnaround and a SB trophy. This season would have been legendary.

Instead we're headed into season four with Trubisky, who's average at best.

[hebs]

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Fox was already a lame duck with one foot out the door. These are just pathetic attempts to justify passing on the far superior QB. IMO, if Pace had drafted Mahomes we'd have had a historic turnaround and a SB trophy. This season would have been legendary.

Instead we're headed into season four with Trubisky, who's average at best.

lol... change your tampon.


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[WestCoastBearsFan]

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Fox was already a lame duck with one foot out the door. These are just pathetic attempts to justify passing on the far superior QB. IMO, if Pace had drafted Mahomes we'd have had a historic turnaround and a SB trophy. This season would have been legendary.

Instead we're headed into season four with Trubisky, who's average at best.

Are you seriously going to ignore he fell into a perfect situation in KC? Yes Mahomes is special and has a chance to be an all time great and we should have taken him over Mitch but so is his situation.


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[Leomaz]

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Fox was already a lame duck with one foot out the door. These are just pathetic attempts to justify passing on the far superior QB. IMO, if Pace had drafted Mahomes we'd have had a historic turnaround and a SB trophy. This season would have been legendary.

Instead we're headed into season four with Trubisky, who's average at best.

First of all, you cannot prove what you say about Mahomes, it is all conjecture. It is nice to fool oneself into believing something better would happen if only this one thing happened.