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We were talking football and yet here you are derailing ANOTHER thread.
We were talking football and yet here you are derailing ANOTHER thread.
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I would say you guys were TRYING to talk football but at least you're trying.
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You should be able to see that if someone has football opinions like thinking Kevin White is an NFL player, or that Adam Shaheen is good at football, their bound to not have much on topic things to discuss when anything football related is literally laughed at by the entire board....
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Jesus Christ talking about football on this place is impossible. It’s so annoying trying to sort through the back and forth bickering to find the football posts
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Sorry buddy, I just think that Kevin White is a total and complete bust, and somehow using stats to back that up just gets ignored by dabears70, and now that he's proven wrong he has no option but to derail. Pretty much happens all the time.
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Completely agreed. It's crazy.
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So you think he is just running free and Trubs is like, "Fuck it I am throwing to a covered Gabriel instead." If he were better he would likely get more opportunities. His ops are limited mostly likely because he hasn't been very good.
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Hold on a second. So you're trying to tell me right now that after what we saw last season of Trubisky many times missing open receivers...you suddenly put it out of the realm of possibility that Shaheen was ever running routes while open and not getting the ball? Never mind the fact he wasn't even given many opportunities to run routes to begin with.
Or are you implying that Shaheen is incapable of making contested catches? Because that too is hard to prove when he isn't fucking being thrown the ball...
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I'm not even sure why you're bothering with Capt. Spin...
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I am saying he has 6 targets and all the other guys who Trubs allegedly missed still got a fuck ton more targets than he did. So no, I don't think he is open and Trubs is bypassing him at a rate that would explain why he only has 6 targets compared to guys that have 80 or more targets.
I am arguing he isn't good enough to get more targets. Unless you think he fucked Trubs girl, there is no reason for Trubs to not throw him the ball if Trubs thought he were open.
I mean last year, ya'll blamed Fox for his lack of targets. Now this year in a new offense, ya'll blaming Trubs. Maybe just maybe the problem isn't everyone else. It's Shaheen.
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No, I am saying that Shaheen has simply not been given many opportunities as a pass catcher. You can try to spin that whatever damn way you please. The fact is he isn't out there running routes with any regularity to even have a chance at a decent target share...its been two consecutive seasons of him barely garnering any targets period. He has been second fiddle to two tight ends two years in a row. Both of them were paid waaaaay more money and clearly they were trying to get value out of them. Sims had no business being ahead of Shaheen though. Burton on the other hand is a legit tight end. Even more so than I thought he was going to be.
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We agree he hasn't been given many opportunities. Where we disagree is the reason why. The dude was a 2nd round pick. If he were actually any good, the Bears would be tripping over themselves to get him opportunities. The reason he isn't getting more chances is because he isn't that good.
Maybe he breaks out this year but so far, he has not looked particularly good. It is what it is.
Maybe he breaks out this year but so far, he has not looked particularly good. It is what it is.
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Shaheen's first season, he had to learn how to block and be an actual TE. Unfortunately, that was cut short by injury.
Last year, he had to learn to play in a complicated NFL offense, coming from a small college. Unfortunately, that also was cut short by injury.
He has shown flashes, and I think he can develop into a quality TE. It take most guys 2-3 years to figure out that position in the NFL. We shouldn't be surprised Shaheen hasnt mastered it yet.
Hope he can stay healthy enough to have a chance...
Last year, he had to learn to play in a complicated NFL offense, coming from a small college. Unfortunately, that also was cut short by injury.
He has shown flashes, and I think he can develop into a quality TE. It take most guys 2-3 years to figure out that position in the NFL. We shouldn't be surprised Shaheen hasnt mastered it yet.
Hope he can stay healthy enough to have a chance...
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We also shouldn't be surprised if it has nothing to do with the above and he simply isn't very good. That is entirely possible.
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All I can say is that Shaheen passed the "eye test" in Bourbonnais.
Honestly thought that he was going to have a breakout performance in 2018.
Of course Nall was breaking 30 yarders regularly too in TC
I still think we should be cross training Nall in the TE room
Honestly thought that he was going to have a breakout performance in 2018.
Of course Nall was breaking 30 yarders regularly too in TC
I still think we should be cross training Nall in the TE room
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The "fucked Trub's girl" idea makes more sense than most of the rest of this thread.
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Shaheen hasn't impressed me with the ball in his hands. That's my biggest knock with him. Gets taken down way to easy for a guy his size by players much smaller than him.
Would much prefer if he was our #3 TE to start the year.
Would much prefer if he was our #3 TE to start the year.
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Do you even remember who was the last Chicago Bears tight end that people said that about? The flashbacks are real.
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I'll combat a couple things in the above.
First, the fact that he has been injured is a problem, and I can see why people would label him as below average to no good based on two injury riddled seasons while being a 2nd round high-ish pick. Couple that with coming from a small school, and it doesn't look good for him or Pace.
Second, when he was used, there was room for improvement, so I'll agree with other posters there. On the contrary, I think he has great hands and makes some really soft catches when called upon.
Lastly, I don't think spreading the ball around to multiple weapons can be viewed as a negative. If anything, that is a really positive thing for a modern offense, and a staple of what Nagy is trying to build. Keep the opponent guessing. Death by a thousand cuts, mixed in with big splash plays. We far too long suffered at the helm of limited weapons on offense. In the past, the average players weren't utilized. I don't think Trestman or Lovie ever would have had success throwing it to Wims, Bellamy, or 3rd string tight ends the way Nagy's offense is designed to do.
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