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vick27m said:

I went heavy on the hitting a first then picked up marmol as my first pitcher. he had 2 or 3 starters before i got dempster. :buttrock: and I also picked up Vizquel earlier then i should. He would make Castro(#1 pick) much better in the defensive game

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You aren't supposed to say that it is you in it, it is supposed to be secret. :shrug:

Jntg4 said:

You aren't supposed to say that it is you in it, it is supposed to be secret. :shrug:

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vick27m said:

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That's what the PM I got from icehog said, just sayin'.

wanna delete these posts then? I don't remember seeing that anywhere but i could be wrong

its fine, no harm done

vick27m said:

wanna delete these posts then? I don't remember seeing that anywhere but i could be wrong

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Doesn't really matter now, just that it was supposed to be prevented from being a popularity contest by being anonymous.

EDIT: LOL, he picked Cashner but couldn't get Garza, funny coming from him.

Team B. But switch Gorzo and Cashner.

Jntg4 said:

Doesn't really matter now, just that it was supposed to be prevented from being a popularity contest by being anonymous.

EDIT: LOL, he picked Cashner but couldn't get Garza, funny coming from him.

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Garza was gone by the time i picked up my first starter... i picked up Cashner later on when i couldn't find anyone else but gorzo and Peavy and i got them both lol

vick27m said:

Garza was gone by the time i picked up my first starter... i picked up Cashner later on when i couldn't find anyone else but gorzo and Peavy and i got them both lol

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Ya, IK, just sayin', lol.

I dont get it i have 6 freakin all stars on my team and im not getting votes?:smh:
Thats fine though its your guys' votes lol

Defense
LF Pierre=Soriano (Pierre gets to more balls, Soriano throws the ball in)
CF Rios>Byrd (Rios has been slightly above average, Byrd slightly below)
RF Colvin=Perez (Pretty much a wash)
1b Pena>>>Konerko (Pena has won the GG)
2b Becham>Blake (Blake is below average)
SS Ramirez>>>Castro (Castro was the clubhouse leader in bad fielding last year)
3b Morel=Ramirez (And really at this point it’s probably Morel is better Defensively, but he hasn’t been a major leaguer, so I call this a tie)
C Soto=Castro (It’s only close because of the short series)
Team A 3-2-4 (super close)

Offense by position
1b Konerko>>>Pena (No confidence Pena turns it around)
2b Beckham >> Blake (No Explanation needed)
SS Ramirez >>> Castro (Silver slugger winner last season in Ramirez)
3b Ramirez>>>Morel (Even with Ramirez slumping massively last season)
LF Soriano>>Pierre (Soriano’s power gives the edge over Pierre’s speed)
CF Rios>>>Byrd (Rios only 5 tool player on either roster)
RF Perez=Colvin (Really a toss up)
C Soto>>> Castro (Castro is just too inexperienced to know what he would bring)
DH Dunn>>Quentin (Never know when Carlos will get hurt)

Team A 5-3-1

Starting Pitching
Garza>Buerhle
Dempster>Peavy (He may never pitch again)
Zambrano>>>Gorzelanny
Danks>>>Wells

Relief Pitching
Slight Edge to Team B with Marmol, Sale, Marshall, though this is close.

Clearly Team A wins

Defense by position
1b Pena>>>Konerko (Pena has won the GG)
2b Becham=Vizquel (Vizquel never has played 2b albeit 17 games)
SS Ramirez>>>Castro (Castro was the clubhouse leader in bad fielding last year)
3b Morel=Ramirez (And really at this point it’s probably Morel is better Defensively, but he hasn’t been a major leaguer, so I call this a tie)
LF Byrd>>>Soriano (Soriano has an arm, that’s it)
CF Rios>>>>Pierre (Biggest landslide in all positions, Pierre would need a cutoff man in CF to throw to the cutoff man, in LF, he only needs one cutoff man)
RF Colvin>>>Quentin
C Soto>>AJ (I love AJ and his smarts, but he can’t throw)
Team A wins defense 6-1-1

Offense by position
1b Konerko>>>Pena (No confidence Pena turns it around)
2b Beckham >> Vizquel (Vizquel may not even win average)
SS Ramirez >>> Castro (Silver slugger winner last season in Ramirez)
3b Ramirez>>>Morel (Even with Ramirez slumping massively last season)
LF Soriano>Byrd (This one is close, but Soriano’s power gives the edge)
CF Rios>>>Pierre (Again, biggest landslid in all the positions)
RF Quentin>Colvin (This one would be a push if Colvin could hit .275)
C Soto>>> AJ (All facets in this one)
DH Dunn>>>Vicideo (This one almost was the biggest landslie out there)
Team A 5-4

Starting Pitching
Danks>Dempster
Garza>Buerhle
Zambrano>>>Jackson
Floyd>>>Cashner

Team A dominates this one in all four spots, especially starters 3 and 4

Bullpen
Team B has the best closer in Marmol, while Team A has solid setup guys with three or four options at closer.

Given that starting pitching (as seen in the 2005 Playoffs) and defense outdoes offense, this would be a clear Team A win.

brett05 said:

Defense by position
1b Pena>>>Konerko (Pena has won the GG)
2b Becham=Vizquel (Vizquel never has played 2b albeit 17 games)
SS Ramirez>>>Castro (Castro was the clubhouse leader in bad fielding last year)
3b Morel=Ramirez (And really at this point it’s probably Morel is better Defensively, but he hasn’t been a major leaguer, so I call this a tie)
LF Byrd>>>Soriano (Soriano has an arm, that’s it)
CF Rios>>>>Pierre (Biggest landslide in all positions, Pierre would need a cutoff man in CF to throw to the cutoff man, in LF, he only needs one cutoff man)
RF Colvin>>>Quentin
C Soto>>AJ (I love AJ and his smarts, but he can’t throw)
Team A wins defense 6-1-1

Offense by position
1b Konerko>>>Pena (No confidence Pena turns it around)
2b Beckham >> Vizquel (Vizquel may not even win average)
SS Ramirez >>> Castro (Silver slugger winner last season in Ramirez)
3b Ramirez>>>Morel (Even with Ramirez slumping massively last season)
LF Soriano>Byrd (This one is close, but Soriano’s power gives the edge)
CF Rios>>>Pierre (Again, biggest landslid in all the positions)
RF Quentin>Colvin (This one would be a push if Colvin could hit .275)
C Soto>>> AJ (All facets in this one)
DH Dunn>>>Vicideo (This one almost was the biggest landslie out there)
Team A 5-4

Starting Pitching
Danks>Dempster
Garza>Buerhle
Zambrano>>>Jackson
Floyd>>>Cashner

Team A dominates this one in all four spots, especially starters 3 and 4

Bullpen
Team B has the best closer in Marmol, while Team A has solid setup guys with three or four options at closer.

Given that starting pitching (as seen in the 2005 Playoffs) and defense outdoes offense, this would be a clear Team A win.

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2b is easier and Vizquel is a Gold Glove SS so i think he wins that one by quite a ways.
I'm a Cubs fan. Byrd is way better then Soriano is now. All Soriano has is a big bat he wiffs with. Byrd is way better. He runs out every play and he gets on base with decent power. Byrd is better.

Pierre does what a leadoff man needs to. He gets on base. You can't go by position because Rios is your middle of the order guy Pierre is my leadoff guy. I would take Pierre over Rios for my team i don't need Rios i have a great middle of the order i need a true leadoff hitter and Pierre is one of the best at it.
I would say thats equal. Castro is only getting better. Ramirez isn't. He has better power but I would take Castro who is going into his second year and is still one of the better hitters at SS.
The fact that you can say your lineup is better then mine is laughable. Your starting pitching is better I can't lie. but my lineup is so deep that they will get runs off your pitching. My starting pitching can hold its own especially against a mediocre lineup at best.
My bullpen is probably better aswell not really worried to much about it since your team can't score many runs in the first place.

Just cause I'm bored I'll do this.

Lineup
1 Pierre>Colvin (Pierre is fast gets on base and is a true leadoff hitter Colvin is not)
2 Castro=Ramirez (push in my opinion and I'm a huge Castro supporter so that's saying something)
3 Konerko> Rios (I think this one is a no brainer.)
4 Dunn>Soriano (Another no brainer. Soriano sucks dick now, a couple years ago i would say Soriano is better but not now)
5 Ramirez>Pena (Ramirez was the better player all while being hurt. He had a slow year but Pena batted .196 so if you wanna take that over Ramirez then you don't know baseball)
6 Byrd=Soto( I love them both being a Cubs fan, Byrd brings in hustle power and avg, Soto brings Power decent avg)
7 Quentin>Viciedo ( Another no brainer here Quentin is a middle of the order guy i have batting 7th)
8 Pierzinski<Beckham (At this point I don't like either player much but Beckham is probably more versatile then AJ is)
9 Vizquel=Morel (who even cares about this position? there both not great hitters Vizquel was brought in for defense and Morel isn't a great hitter either.)
5-1-3 I win 5 spots here especially at the top and middle of the lineup 3 ties and 1 loss at the 8th spot which isn't a big deal at all.
Starting Pitching
Dempster<Danks (Dempster can hold his own but Danks is the better pitcher of the two)
Buerhle<Garza (Same as the first match up)
Jackson=Zambrano (You never know what your getting out of either one of them)
4 and 5 don't even matter its a 7 game series
so starting goes to him but my pitchers can hold there own even though matched straight up with his lose they can suppress his lineup.
0-2-1
Bench
Fukudome
Teahen
Castillo
Barney
vs.
Lillibrige
Baker
Perez
Castro
I think my bench is superior it has rookies coupled with vets with 1 good defending outfielder with decent speed and bat in Fuku. A Utility player in Teahen. A middle infielder in Barney and a backup catcher in Castillo.
Bullpen
Marmol>Sale (Duh)
the rest are probably about equal combined with a slight edge in set up going to him and an edge in middle relief going to me
I think my team wins this one by a lot.

I thought this was annonymous.

Ramirez is better than Castro, and really it's not close. Rios is also better as a #3 hitter then Paulie who is a #4 guy. Soto is better offensively then Byrd Quentin and Viciedo is probably equal since Quentin can't hit his weight and is too streaky. But I agree, Team B has the better lineup top to bottom, but it's close, the dominant starting pitching 1-4 since no one has a guy that can start 3 times is completely dominant by Team A, making the bullpen ala 2005 WHite Sox completely over-rated. Pitching and defense win games

It was supposed to be but i fucked up lol. And pitching and d only get you so far. your team can't score for shit. Your overrating Soto's bat just a bit there. This one is Team B all day. Solid starting solid bullpen best closer and best lineup compared to better starting equal bullpen and mediocre lineup i think it swings in my favor

Another example, the 1906 White Sox. Pitching and Defense do win games. Team A has average offense which is all they need given the dominance in starting pitching and defense. The only thing you have with AJ is his leadership over Soto. And talk about overvaluing. Suddenly Byrd is an All Star. He's not in the same league as Soto with the bat. In limited time, Sale was dominant as a closer. I'd still take Marmol, but probably not another reliever over Team A

Heck, you yourself emailed me that my team was ahead.

brett05 said:

Heck, you yourself emailed me that my team was ahead.

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before i had any pitching, yeah

brett05 said:

Another example, the 1906 White Sox. Pitching and Defense do win games. Team A has average offense which is all they need given the dominance in starting pitching and defense. The only thing you have with AJ is his leadership over Soto. And talk about overvaluing. Suddenly Byrd is an All Star. He's not in the same league as Soto with the bat. In limited time, Sale was dominant as a closer. I'd still take Marmol, but probably not another reliever over Team A

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Lol..........