The Cubs Lounge: General Team/Franchise Discussion

[DewsSox79]

Just a thread for those looking to talk about random things related to the Cubs. From the team, to the stadium, to the food......discuss here.

[Jntg4]

We suck

[Captain Obvious]

We suck

Then get the fuck out. You are the worst Cubs fan I have ever met.

[Jntg4]

Then get the fuck out. You are the worst Cubs fan I have ever met.

For being honest?

[Ohio13State]

Pujols is coming

[Jntg4]

Pujols is coming

And then we won't suck...

[Jntg4]

Then get the fuck out. You are the worst Cubs fan I have ever met.

1) You've never met me...
2) I'm being honest...
3) THIS was invented the year we last won the World Series:

The damn Model T. That and the fact that we have little to no playoff hopes this year and will likely finish under .500, justifies my pessimism. I may bring my pessimism too far, but it is really obvious that we suck. You are just overly optimistic sometimes.

I'm still looking forward to baseball, and will love to see Castro, Colvin, Soto, Wood, Marmol, and Wood play again (and Jackson later), but there is no reason to expect a non-sucking season. We haven't improved by 12 games by acquiring Pena, Wood, and Garza to even be a .500 team.

I'll ask you this...

What makes you think that we DON'T suck? I'd like to know.

I can justify saying that we suck, what's your explanation for us not sucking again this year?

[vick27m]

1) You've never met me...
2) I'm being honest...
3) THIS was invented the year we last won the World Series:

The damn Model T. That and the fact that we have little to no playoff hopes this year and will likely finish under .500, justifies my pessimism. I may bring my pessimism too far, but it is really obvious that we suck. You are just overly optimistic sometimes.

I'm still looking forward to baseball, and will love to see Castro, Colvin, Soto, Wood, Marmol, and Wood play again (and Jackson later), but there is no reason to expect a non-sucking season. We haven't improved by 12 games by acquiring Pena, Wood, and Garza to even be a .500 team.

I'll ask you this...

What makes you think that we DON'T suck? I'd like to know.

I can justify saying that we suck, what's your explanation for us not sucking again this year?

Would you please stfu? I swear to god your the biggest fucking downer ever. We had a good offseason and we can compete. Maybe not a playoff team yet but we aren't the Pittsburgh Pirates. Your negativity is so fucking irritating. We don't suck we just aren't great. Were a decent ball club. Can you even play baseball? Its not easy. Every post you make is negative toward something. Whether it is Garza this or something else. If your a true fan stfu and have some pride in your team. I'm not ashamed we haven't won in so long. People ask who my team is and I'm not afraid to say it. they make a joke. So what? I can take it.

[Jntg4]

Would you please stfu? I swear to god your the biggest fucking downer ever. We had a good offseason and we can compete. Maybe not a playoff team yet but we aren't the Pittsburgh Pirates. Your negativity is so fucking irritating. We don't suck we just aren't great. Were a decent ball club. Can you even play baseball? Its not easy. Every post you make is negative toward something. Whether it is Garza this or something else. If your a true fan stfu and have some pride in your team. I'm not ashamed we haven't won in so long. People ask who my team is and I'm not afraid to say it. they make a joke. So what? I can take it.

What do you define as sucking? I define sucking as under .500. Using last year's WAR values, the Cubs added 2.9 wins this offseason. To be .500, we needed to add 12 wins. That still puts us at just 78 wins. That's sucking in my book.

[Jntg4]

Would you please stfu? I swear to god your the biggest fucking downer ever. We had a good offseason and we can compete. Maybe not a playoff team yet but we aren't the Pittsburgh Pirates. Your negativity is so fucking irritating. We don't suck we just aren't great. Were a decent ball club. Can you even play baseball? Its not easy. Every post you make is negative toward something. Whether it is Garza this or something else. If your a true fan stfu and have some pride in your team. I'm not ashamed we haven't won in so long. People ask who my team is and I'm not afraid to say it. they make a joke. So what? I can take it.

I had pride... in 2008. Now I have pride in the young players that have come up will be turning things around soon. CO has mentioned in the past that we will be World Series contenders in 2012.

I'm not ashamed to be a Cubs fan, or of the team. I just don't see how everyone can act like we are in no mess at all and are in a decent condition.

Soriano has 4 years left on his contract... it's a big mess, that nobody takes notice of.

[vick27m]

What do you define as sucking? I define sucking as under .500. Using last year's WAR values, the Cubs added 2.9 wins this offseason. To be .500, we needed to add 12 wins. That still puts us at just 78 wins. That's sucking in my book.

Guess what? Nobody cares what your definition of sucking is. I don't need WAR to tell me how a team is going to do. Let it play out. The season hasn't even started yet and you have no idea how were gonna do. You can pull every statistic from your ass it doesn't mean its set in stone. A lot can happen in a season. You suck as a poster due to the WAR of how many posts you have and how many i hate reading. See i can pull it out of my ass to.

[Jntg4]

Guess what? Nobody cares what your definition of sucking is. I don't need WAR to tell me how a team is going to do. Let it play out. The season hasn't even started yet and you have no idea how were gonna do. You can pull every statistic from your ass it doesn't mean its set in stone. A lot can happen in a season. You suck as a poster due to the WAR of how many posts you have and how many i hate reading. See i can pull it out of my ass to.

I seriously am confused by all of this apologia.

[DewsSox79]

Guess what? Nobody cares what your definition of sucking is. I don't need WAR to tell me how a team is going to do. Let it play out. The season hasn't even started yet and you have no idea how were gonna do. You can pull every statistic from your ass it doesn't mean its set in stone. A lot can happen in a season. You suck as a poster due to the WAR of how many posts you have and how many i hate reading. See i can pull it out of my ass to.

bold- play nice.

the rest: I agree.

[vick27m]

sorry but his negativity is so aggravating

[Jntg4]

sorry but his negativity is so aggravating

I just want to know why CO think we'll win the World Series in 2012 (albeit he said it a long time ago). I see us as an 80 win team, which is completely realistic. I'm concerned with the team's age and health.

[DewsSox79]

sorry but his negativity is so aggravating

np.

[Jntg4]

sorry but his negativity is so aggravating

sorry, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if we do good than extremely disappointed if we suck.

Sox fans giving us better reviews than myself gives me some hope though.

I can't see playoffs or Houston/Pittsburgh level though.

But Houston came to bite me in the ass last season.

[cubsneedmiracle]

I just want to know why CO think we'll win the World Series in 2012 (albeit he said it a long time ago). I see us as an 80 win team, which is completely realistic. I'm concerned with the team's age and health.

Saying were going to be around .500 is too easy of a prediction though.. Thats what we've been for years.

[Jntg4]

Saying were going to be around .500 is too easy of a prediction though.. Thats what we've been for years.

I see us possibly lower.

We haven't really been quite there, 08 a ton higher, 09 close enough, 10 way below.

[Captain Obvious]

For being honest?

For being an ignorant fuck.

1) You've never met me...
2) I'm being honest...
3) THIS was invented the year we last won the World Series:

The damn Model T. That and the fact that we have little to no playoff hopes this year and will likely finish under .500, justifies my pessimism. I may bring my pessimism too far, but it is really obvious that we suck. You are just overly optimistic sometimes.

I'm still looking forward to baseball, and will love to see Castro, Colvin, Soto, Wood, Marmol, and Wood play again (and Jackson later), but there is no reason to expect a non-sucking season. We haven't improved by 12 games by acquiring Pena, Wood, and Garza to even be a .500 team.

I'll ask you this...

What makes you think that we DON'T suck? I'd like to know.

I can justify saying that we suck, what's your explanation for us not sucking again this year?

1) I have to met you to know that you are the most annoying Cubs fan in the world?

2) You aren't honest, you are pessimistic as fuck.

3) I don't care if you show me a Model T or the first copy of the Bible. It makes no difference. What does the length of time since we have won a World Series do to this years team? What effect does it have on them? None.

4) It's obvious we suck? I'm Captain Fucking Obvious and my Obvious-meter isn't going off.

5) No one said Garza, Pena, and Wood improved us 12 games, but we will have Castro for a full year, which will give us a slight boost at 2B, we will have Koyie Hill not playing like 1/3 of the games, we will have a healthy Aramis Ramirez, which equates to a shit load of value, and most importantly we won't have a black hole at 1B. Only the Dodgers and Shitsburgh had lower production out of 1B in the NL last year.

6) What's the point of watching the team if you have absolutely no hope at all for the team? The prospects?

7) You haven't justified shit.

What do you define as sucking? I define sucking as under .500. Using last year's WAR values, the Cubs added 2.9 wins this offseason. To be .500, we needed to add 12 wins. That still puts us at just 78 wins. That's sucking in my book.

You can't use fucking WAR to project how we will be next year. Plus, see above.

Being an average team is sucking? Your definition of sucking sucks.

I had pride... in 2008. Now I have pride in the young players that have come up will be turning things around soon. CO has mentioned in the past that we will be World Series contenders in 2012.

I'm not ashamed to be a Cubs fan, or of the team. I just don't see how everyone can act like we are in no mess at all and are in a decent condition.

Soriano has 4 years left on his contract... it's a big mess, that nobody takes notice of.

Being a Cub fan isn't something that you can just be when we are doing well. Let me clarify, being a TRUE Cub fan isn't something that you can just be when we are doing well. That would be a fair weather fan, which is exactly what you are.

Yes, I have mentioned I think we will have a shot a contending in 2012, barring a big signing next offseason. So what?

You aren't ashamed but you aren't proud? What are you?

No one is saying that we aren't a mess, but we don't suck. If we can be a mess and not suck, that's progressive.

Hold the fuck on. Who doesn't take notice of Soriano's contract? Names, I want names and how they don't "take notice." That's the biggest POS I have ever heard.

I just want to know why CO think we'll win the World Series in 2012 (albeit he said it a long time ago). I see us as an 80 win team, which is completely realistic. I'm concerned with the team's age and health.

I never said we would win. I said we would contend.

sorry, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if we do good than extremely disappointed if we suck.

Sox fans giving us better reviews than myself gives me some hope though.

I can't see playoffs or Houston/Pittsburgh level though.

But Houston came to bite me in the ass last season.

So we suck if we don't make the playoffs? If we suck, what is Shitsburgh?

[Northside_slugger]

I just want to know why CO think we'll win the World Series in 2012 (albeit he said it a long time ago). I see us as an 80 win team, which is completely realistic. I'm concerned with the team's age and health.

Not sure why 2012 WS is out of question?

I don't think we'll be world beaters next season, actually, far from it. Mainly because our division has improved by A LOT, which by default will make us worse, despite us also improving. I think we'll be a better team on the field, i think we'll give more of a fight when we play the big giants of the league but the overall record may not show it. It's a learning experience and we have a lot of good young players to build around on. I think 2012, or more specifically 2013, is a real target year where we can truly win it all. All assuming that our young players develop right and we hit a few home runs in the free agent market.

Next season, i would compare our team to the 2008 New York Yankees. They had a lot of good young players, lots of money expiring and they just kept developing the kids, and spend big money in that winter to add on to their roster, which worked great for them and won them the title the following year. Nobody would have predicted the Yankees to win the world series early in 2008 within 2-3 years.

[Jntg4]

For being an ignorant fuck.



1) I have to met you to know that you are the most annoying Cubs fan in the world?

2) You aren't honest, you are pessimistic as fuck.

3) I don't care if you show me a Model T or the first copy of the Bible. It makes no difference. What does the length of time since we have won a World Series do to this years team? What effect does it have on them? None.

4) It's obvious we suck? I'm Captain Fucking Obvious and my Obvious-meter isn't going off.

5) No one said Garza, Pena, and Wood improved us 12 games, but we will have Castro for a full year, which will give us a slight boost at 2B, we will have Koyie Hill not playing like 1/3 of the games, we will have a healthy Aramis Ramirez, which equates to a shit load of value, and most importantly we won't have a black hole at 1B. Only the Dodgers and Shitsburgh had lower production out of 1B in the NL last year.

6) What's the point of watching the team if you have absolutely no hope at all for the team? The prospects?

7) You haven't justified shit.



You can't use fucking WAR to project how we will be next year. Plus, see above.

Being an average team is sucking? Your definition of sucking sucks.



Being a Cub fan isn't something that you can just be when we are doing well. Let me clarify, being a TRUE Cub fan isn't something that you can just be when we are doing well. That would be a fair weather fan, which is exactly what you are.

Yes, I have mentioned I think we will have a shot a contending in 2012, barring a big signing next offseason. So what?

You aren't ashamed but you aren't proud? What are you?

No one is saying that we aren't a mess, but we don't suck. If we can be a mess and not suck, that's progressive.

Hold the fuck on. Who doesn't take notice of Soriano's contract? Names, I want names and how they don't "take notice." That's the biggest POS I have ever heard.



I never said we would win. I said we would contend.



So we suck if we don't make the playoffs? If we suck, what is Shitsburgh?

Whatever, I don't care anymore since you don't think they'll win it all in 2012.

I watch every Cubs game, I love the Cubs. I can't wait for the season to start. But looking at this team, I don't see how we will be able to compete. Ramirez, Soriano, Wood, etc. are huge injury risks. They have to have absolutely everything go right in order to contend. I just can't see it.

BTW, I may be overly pessimistic, but you are always too optimistic.

[poodski]

What do you define as sucking? I define sucking as under .500. Using last year's WAR values, the Cubs added 2.9 wins this offseason. To be .500, we needed to add 12 wins. That still puts us at just 78 wins. That's sucking in my book.

Well I think thats taking WAR a bit too much as Bible as apposed to just a stat. You have to remember while we may not have added a lot this offseason in terms of 2009 WAR we still added a lot in terms of actual value. We definitely improved at 1B, and we are hopefully getting Ramirez back. That alone will make the team a bit better.

Regardless this is a 500 team most likely. A few lucky breaks and a couple of career seasons and we could very well be a playoff team. I think the Cubs are an 80-82 win team, but I don't really see the Brewers/Reds as any more than a 88-90 win team. A division title isn't all that incomprehensible. Regardless I still think we are two years away.

[Jntg4]

Well I think thats taking WAR a bit too much as Bible as apposed to just a stat. You have to remember while we may not have added a lot this offseason in terms of 2009 WAR we still added a lot in terms of actual value. We definitely improved at 1B, and we are hopefully getting Ramirez back. That alone will make the team a bit better.

Regardless this is a 500 team most likely. A few lucky breaks and a couple of career seasons and we could very well be a playoff team. I think the Cubs are an 80-82 win team, but I don't really see the Brewers/Reds as any more than a 88-90 win team. A division title isn't all that incomprehensible. Regardless I still think we are two years away.

Ya, I was just using WAR to show that the players we got aren't HUGE difference makers.

And I agree, but Cincy sucks.

[poodski]

Ya, I was just using WAR to show that the players we got aren't HUGE difference makers.

And I agree, but Cincy sucks.

I disagree on Cincy. I made a 100 dollar bet last year that the Reds would end up with more wins than the Cubs.

They have good pitching, good hitting, and a good defense. I don't really see the Reds falling off I still think they are the team to beat in the central. I don't think the Brewers are all that great.