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    Quote Originally Posted by Rice Cube View Post
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    That was pretty bad...

    I think these special committees to re-evaluate players are important because evaluation systems evolve over time and hopefully get better. Santo's stats were compared to those of his contemporaries (ergo OPS+) and they were excellent.

    The thing is that you hope nobody ever has to be elected by special committee, but in this case the ends did justify the questionable means. They did rig the crap out of the system, but when the previous system was biased and misinformed, what else can you do?
    It's not even just against Santo's contemporaries but every player who played the position across every era. Santo falls right in the middle by most evaluations. He's not even a fringe 3B candidate.

    The old system was obviously stupid and flawed. Santo's exclusions shows that Hell, same with Andre Dawson's.

    Meanwhile, brett wants to state that Harold Baines has a case, but doesn't know what OPS+ is and is basing Santo's "not belonging" around Santo not hitting well away from home(which other HOF'ers have done) and Santo being a dickhead. Does Santo being a jerk mean he should be in the HOF even though numbers dictate it? No. A reason for him not being in doesn't mean it's a valid explanation or even sensible in a baseball sense.

    I'm not surprised brett is the one making these nonsensical arguments, but it's no less annoying or flat out wrong minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigley FireHawks View Post
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    Those "reasons" don't equate to not deserving to get in, at least in my honest and unbiased opinion (wasn't alive when he played, so I have no bias or special feelings for him, just another player who deserved the Hall).
    If you have no bias bleeding Cubbie Blue then I have none as well since I was only alive fir his lone year on the Sox. His numbers are good but not enough and his ancillaries just don't exist
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstTimer View Post
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    Pretty funny thread.

    brett says something completely false. Goes away.

    Doesn't understand a stat. Goes away.

    Lather rinse repeat.
    Sorry FT, you misread everything I can't comment with you any more
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    If you have no bias bleeding Cubbie Blue then I have none as well since I was only alive fir his lone year on the Sox. His numbers are good but not enough and his ancillaries just don't exist
    1. Don't use words that I have to look up in a dictionary, it's just not cool brah.

    2. And his numbers are good enough, as his OPS+ and Gold Gloves show, and I don't care about the ancillaries, he's in by performance alone (should be anyway), not contributions to other organizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    Sorry FT, you misread everything I can't comment with you any more
    Lulz at this. You got completely kicked around in this thread.

    Santo didn't hit well away from Wrigley....

    No idea what OPS+ is...

    Santo was mean...

    Derp derp derp

    Quit trying to run away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigley FireHawks View Post
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    1. Don't use words that I have to look up in a dictionary, it's just not cool brah.

    2. And his numbers are good enough, as his OPS+ and Gold Gloves show, and I don't care about the ancillaries, he's in by performance alone (should be anyway), not contributions to other organizations.
    1. Read more.

    2. I was speaking just baseball but since you brought it up it was those ancillaries of non baseball organizations that got him in this time around
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    1. Read more.

    2. I was speaking just baseball but since you brought it up it was those ancillaries of non baseball organizations that got him in this time around
    Don't care how he got in, he deserved to get in from his play. If it took his death and charitable works to get him in, then at least they finally made the right decision. Bad rationale, but good decision-making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrigley FireHawks View Post
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    Don't care how he got in, he deserved to get in from his play. If it took his death and charitable works to get him in, then at least they finally made the right decision. Bad rationale, but good decision-making.
    And how is that unbiased?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
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    And how is that unbiased?
    It's unbiased because I believe he should have made it in by number alone, and that is not bias. I don't care how it happened, just that it happened. Their rationale doesn't have to be right for the decision to be right.

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    Derp derp derp
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    Harold is in

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    Harold is in
    Me: "You know, it's possible brett is not as small and petty as he comes off. I should give him the benefit of the doubt more often."

    You: "Hold my beer, gotta necro a seven year old thread to crow over my Harold Baines for the HOF vindication."

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    They should name that wing after Santo.
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    Me: "You know, it's possible brett is not as small and petty as he comes off. I should give him the benefit of the doubt more often."

    You: "Hold my beer, gotta necro a seven year old thread to crow over my Harold Baines for the HOF vindication."
    I didn't have him in if you read the thread fatbeard. Just as I didn't Santo in.
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    Harold is in
    Ron Santo's election into Hall of Fame is shamefully late.

    Harold Baines' election into Hall of Fame is shameful.

    See you at the Juicy-O.

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    yes, its a 7 year old thread, but some ex manager starts a committee to get friends in the hall of fame is something that needs to be changed. There are players that should be considered in the hall of fame, Sosa and McGuires bats, a name on a placque being an all time save leader while the position was being developed and guys that had hall of fame days in their career. Barry Bonds name has to be in there somewhere for being an all time home run leader. Its sad it happens to a couple of chicago guys, but this may finally change things.

    Harold Baines never received more than 6.2 percent of the vote to get in. You need 75. Just like it took a group of guys feeling better for themselves getting Santo in after his funeral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anotheridiot View Post
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    yes, its a 7 year old thread, but some ex manager starts a committee to get friends in the hall of fame is something that needs to be changed. There are players that should be considered in the hall of fame, Sosa and McGuires bats, a name on a placque being an all time save leader while the position was being developed and guys that had hall of fame days in their career. Barry Bonds name has to be in there somewhere for being an all time home run leader. Its sad it happens to a couple of chicago guys, but this may finally change things.

    Harold Baines never received more than 6.2 percent of the vote to get in. You need 75. Just like it took a group of guys feeling better for themselves getting Santo in after his funeral.
    Santo always deserved to be in.

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    If Ron didn't make it, the next time the committee meets it will be changed again to consist of Ron's family only.
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    Cub Nation Way bigger than White Sox Nation. Not likely a special committee will be formed of White Sox players to let that happen
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    It wasn't until they got the right mix on the yet again changed committee
    LOL at these posts. This is pretty much how Baines got in.

    I love how brett in trying to undercut Santo's induction basically torpedoed and perfectly described Baines'

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    That was a good read.

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    es never received more than 6.2 percent of the vote to get in. You need 75. Just like it took a group of guys feeling better for themselves getting Santo in after his funeral.
    So more than Santo. Thanks.
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