He can't help himself...adds nothing to a conversation, shows up, says nothing...leaves.Originally Posted by RamiTheBullsFan
Rose just hit the first buzzer beater OF HIS CAREER in Milwaukee, and people on here act as if he is Michael Jordan. I am shocked at how some of you act as if Rose has been doing this for ten years.
Chris Paul is better in the clutch then any pg in the league and has been for the last 4 or 5 years now. His teams are usually very efficient in clutch situations and it is because of who handles the ball and the decisions that person makes. No, Rose is not on the same level as Paul is in that area, as of yet. Nor do I think he knows as much about the pg position as some of the other vets in the league. Nash, Paul, Williams, Rondo, all have a lot of experience in different situations that Rose has yet to deal with.
History says he does...this is why I asked some people who want to figure me out to learn the damn league! Don't look at me...look at history! Look at what has happened when Shaq, Moses, Kareem, Wilt....move to other teams. All were the best in the league arguably in their primes...all were champions.
He has played well down the stretch in games, nobody disputes that. But he isn't dominating point guard play in the NBA....especially since he is not that great at defending the position. Stop the madness.
Even in your attempt to say where DRose is the best in the league you used the words:
"or #2 behind John Wall"
Man don't be ashamed of your player.Being anti-homer is not so healthy.
Funny how I don't have anything to contribute but he doesn't even post in the game threads at all and only shows up after wade hit a game winner.
Pointing out that it was rose first buzzer beater while omitting that it wasn't rose's first game winner is just wow.
Rose has been hitting game winners, I mean he started the season with a game winner, he hit clutch shots just in this past week, but yeah he only hit one buzzer beater to win the game so the otherso he isn't as clutch as we homers would like to think he is. Just can't give Bulls players props, not even on a Bulls forum.
John Wall is at least as fast as Derrick Rose. That is not me trying to show I'm not a homer. That is because it;s the truth.Even in your attempt to say where DRose is the best in the league you used the words:
"or #2 behind John Wall"
Man don't be ashamed of your player.Being anti-homer is not so healthy.
I'm too busy either writing an article or updating CCS's FB page with Bulls' statuses to give two shits about a game thread. Yet, I post in there occasionally anyway.
Wade hit 2 game-winners in a row this year. And he has throughout his entire career.
Wade is better in the post. Wade is stronger and actually jumps at least as high as Rose and is slightly taller. Wade also has a deadly crossover.
Wade = more clutch than Rose.
I love how Dwyane Wade just hit ANOTHER buzzer-beating game-winner tonight in Indiana.
Stop being homers. Wade is EASILY better than Derrick Rose in clutch-ness, defense, scoring, and rebounding. The guy led a team to a championship in HISTORIC fashion.
If Wade came to the Bulls last year, Chicago would have SWEPT through the playoffs in all likelihood.
I'm such an anti-homer. I guess that explains my sig. And being called a D-Rose dickrider by every other fans of teams I know.
Guess what- Steve Nash has made tons and tons more clutch plays than Rose and continues to this season on a shitty team. Chris Paul and Deron Williams have also been clutch through-out their careers. There are 350-ish NBA players out there. To say that Durant, Carmelo, Kobe, Wade, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Nowitzki, Nash, and possibly Paul and D-Will are more clutch is FAR from an insult to D-Rose. It is called objectivity.
You'd think that ONE place where you would expect to be able to go to honestly talk about the flaws and potential of your favorite team would be to go to a message board.
Obviously, if some Heat fan comes along me and calls Derrick Rose a choker, I'm going to tell him to suck a fat cock. Just like I tell people like FirstTroller (who hasn't been in here since the Bulls went on their 8-gm winning streak and came back after the loss to ORL to literally say how happy he was to see Boozer fuck up the game).
Some of you (i.e. thechosenone) need to stop treating Derrick Rose like he's the GOD of the NBA. And others (Glide) should stop making broad strokes by pretending that everybody in the group is shitting on the Bulls. Not everybody in here in FT. Houheffna tries to be a contrarian a lot but he doesn't say anything too absurd.
If a Bulls/Rose hater bashes the Bulls, I defend them/him without relent. When I go to a fan site for the team, I expect to be able to be open with my criticism as long as it is wise and based on observation. I haven't missed more than 2 Bulls' games since the start of the 2010-11 season so I know quite a bit about this team.
Nobody said that these players you mention weren't big time players in their prime.The thing is that we are talking about NOW.
ps.I don't treat Rose like he's the god of the NBA.I just give him what he deserves.Right now DRose is a better player than Wade.You want to talk about careers?Wade has a better career than Rose.But this year?2012?Rose is better.Not so much more better but better.In everything.In clutch,in speed,in crossover,in finishing at the rim,in explosiveness,in leadership,in passing,in defense.If you watched the CHI-MIA game where DWade was guarding Rose and he was so exhausted he couldn't walk after the 20th minute of the game you can understand this easily.
The perfect PG is:
Court Vision – Magic Johnson
Pick and Roll – John Stockton
Cross-Over – Tim Hardaway
Rebounding – Oscar Robertson
Defense – Gary Payton
Assists - John Stockton
Athleticism – Derrick Rose or Westbrook(coin flip)
Toughness – Derrick Rose
Shooting – Steve Nash
Heart – Derrick Rose
Clutch – Isiah Thomas
Competitive Edge – Derrick Rose
Longevity – Jason Kidd
And I am talking all times greatest and DRose is only 23.
Nowadays he has the deadliest crossover in the league,he is clutch as hell,he has won an MVP award and he can win a second this year in his 5th year in the NBA,he has the speed to be an elite defender if he works in that field.With Thibs as a head coach I am sure that this will be the upgrade for Rose in the next years.He is a pretty good defender right now but he has to start being more aggressive in the ball.His passing skills and court vision are NOT BAD.Nothing near Magic or Nash but he is good there.
So you have a potential all time best player in your team and you don't even give him what he deserves.I am the one who said that DRose wasn't ready to have a team on his shoulders last year.But what I see in this guy is being one level above last year,every year.I haven't seen a player having so great progress year by year in my life.
Last edited by thechosenone; 03-11-2012 at 09:23 AM.
Rami that wasn't for you. I know you post in game threads. I see you. That was for hou, who never posts in game threads and the only time I saw him do so was the other day when he came in to defend lebron because someone dared to attack the king.
Heard on NBA TV that Rose is 3-3 in game winning shots this year, including the buzzer beater. Rose is clutch and up there with Wade IMO. Wade has a larger sample size due to playing longer, but Rose is piling up some good clutch shots and game winner in his own right. Give him some props.Wade hit 2 game-winners in a row this year. And he has throughout his entire career.
Rose's crossover is better than Wade's.Wade is better in the post. Wade is stronger and actually jumps at least as high as Rose and is slightly taller. Wade also has a deadly crossover.
Rose=getting up there.Wade = more clutch than Rose.
Yeah, you are also talking out of your ass! You think Rose is the toughest and shows more heart than Isiah, who was the franchise player on 2 title teams...and is the only little man to win titles as the main cog? Seriously dude.
Saying stuff like this doesn't make you anymore a fan than anybody else, it just makes you look delusional.
Yeah, that is what happens when you do the whole subliminal thing and don't man up and name names. I don't have to prove shit to you. I don't have to post in game threads either. I do what I want to do...as I was doing before you showed up.
Plus, you asked me why I don't post in game threads and I answered your question. I should have told you "none of your got damn business"...that would have been appropriate when considering who asked the question.
All would be solved if you did what you've done in the past...and you asked everyone else to do...block me. Remember that? Remember your one man "everybody block houheffna" campaign?
Why don't you lead by example?
What are you leaving out of this part of your argument?
Shaq signed as a free agent and was added to a young, but decent team that had Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, and a rookie Kobe Bryant. The Lakers didn't have to give up anybody to add him to the team, thus they got way better.
Moses came to a team that had Dr. J., Mo Cheeks, etc. They got way better without giving up much.
Same with Kareem who was ALREADY a champion with Milwaukee and the Lakers later drafted Magic and Worthy and Scott. Again they didn't have to give up much to get him.
And Wilt came to a team where the 6th man in 72 (Happy Hairston) was scoring 24 plus points a game, and teamed with Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, etc. Again they didn't have to gut the squad to get him.
Also, it was a different league, under different CBA rules for free agent movement and players weren't making the huge salaries that they are now, so it was a lot easier to get star players to come to your team and the Lakers Took advantage of it.
Today, we would have to gut this team to match salaries, sacrifice this year and maybe next year also (oh wait, I forgot people will be lining up to come here with Rose and Howard). But we'll have a dynasty, while Miami is winning the title for the next tw to three years. But hey, we'll have Rose and Howard, eh?
Not all star Center/PG combos = automatic titles. Look at the Charlotte Hornets. That was a complete team if I ever saw one. Larry Johnson, Kendall Gill, Alonzo Mourning, Mugsy Bogues, Dell Curry, and a solid bench. Yet they went no where. Made the playoffs a couple of times and got bounced by the Bulls in 95. Mourning moved on to the Miami Heat and joined up with Tim Hardaway, Rony Seikely, Glen Rice, Steve Smith (I think) and a solid bench and they went nowhere.
What about the Chris Johnson (Mahmud Abdul Rauf), Mutumbo combo? They went nowhere. The Iverson/Mutumbo combo got to the Finals and lost in 5. Hell, what about the ANY PG they paired with Ewing combo? Yep, they lost each year too. The Penny/Shaq combo? Yep they lost also.
Wade and Shaq combo won, but they had GP playing point and Wade was the reason they won and Shaq's impact wasn't as big as it was with the Lakers. Hell, Shaq didn't even have a top tier PG when he won his titles. It was him and Kobe, much like it was him and Wade.
Nash and Amaré? Nowhere.
So history also says that it's no guarantee that it'll lead to automatic titles.
I unblocked you because I just wasn't interested in arguing with you. I was trying to find a way to disagree with you without going to those extremes with you. I even said that to you. You just continued being an asshole and insulting me, even when I didn't insult you.
I still don't have any interest in arguing with you, yet you seem to want to argue with anybody that doesn't bow down to your opinion and claim you God of the internet.
Seriously dude.DRose is the franchise player and he is about to win a title as the main cog.With the competition at its highest level.And of couse he is one of the toughest PGs of all time.If there is someone else near him it's only Iverson.Not Isiah for sure.
Last edited by thechosenone; 03-11-2012 at 10:01 AM.
History says that Penny and Shaq didn't won a championship and that basketball is a team sport.Of course superstars do the most things in the game but if you have superstars without good supporting cast you end up not winning something.
Having said that the Bulls have a GREAT supporting cast to support DRose and Howard.Even if they lose Noah,Deng and CJ Watson the rest of the team is more than enough to win 8 consecutive championships.I wouldn't give Deng but this is the worst case scenario.
I don't think giving up Noah, and draft picks is giving up much. You wouldn't trade Noah for Kareem? Probably not, would talk about how aloof Kareem was, and how his teammates didn't like him. Moses? Probably would talk about his lack of athleticism and how he didn't win much of anything in his career to that point. Shaq? Might talk about his wanting to be Hollywood more than wanting to be a great basketball player.
I am talking about Shaq/Kobe, Magic/Kareem,etc...you bring up Mugsy Bogues...you absolutely don't get it. You have to be kidding me.
Point blank...if you could trade Noah, Charlotte pick and Taj or Omer for Howard...would you do it?
LOL...my god! Are you serious? First the Bulls lost to the Heat because of Udonis Haslem, now you tell me Rose is tougher and has more heart than Isiah Thomas....spoken like a true hockey fan...
I would do these moves in a heartbeat:
1)Noah,Taj,Charlotte pick,and Brewer or CJ Watson for Howard
2)Noah,Boozer for Howard
But anything more than that would be a very tough decision to make.
Of course if Howard doesn't want to come here I wouldn't beg.I wouldn't give Scalabrine for a guy who doesn't want to be a bull.
For guys like you basketball is played only by superstars.I hope LeBron,Wade and Bosh will score their average ppg this year like they did last year with everybody else in their team being dominated to see the Bulls win the series by 4-0.
Udonis Haslem the difference-maker for Heat in Game 2 win vs. Bulls - NBA - Sporting News
You said that the reason the Heat won the series was Haslem...then you put up an article...for game 2...of a 5 game series. Hilarious. You absolutely don't get it.
You absolutely don't get that making the difference doesn't mean he was the best player of his team or the series MVP.He was just the guy who changed the momentum in the series.He was the guy you didn't expect to play so good and kill you by his performance and his energy.AND GAME 2 = home court advantage dude.
The Bulls had won the first game by 20 points and were leading in the second game by 15+ until Haslem got in the court.Lebron did the damage after that but Haslem changed the momentum with his energy,with his points and with his rebounds.
If the Bulls were 2-0 in that game you will probably have a different winner in the series.They would have tons of pressure to win their home games.The Bulls could take advantage of that and beat them.Of course the key in a 7 game series is the games you break the home court advantage.
Last edited by thechosenone; 03-11-2012 at 10:51 AM.
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