but according to Blowman, he can be the next Pavel Datsyuk.Originally Posted by LonghornBob
wait. werent many posters saying about other players "it isnt all about points" just sayin.
people cant have both
but according to Blowman, he can be the next Pavel Datsyuk.
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You can't disagree with the fact that he has unlimited potential..he can be an amazing player but that's up to him at this point.but according to Blowman, he can be the next Pavel Datsyuk.
Don't know who was saying that, but for what Kane is supposed to bring to the table, a lot of that translates to points.
You know what killed Kane's numbers the most this year? That God-awful power play. Yeah, he's a part of that problem, too. I get that.
This year, Kaner had 54 points at even strength. Previous four years, in reverse order: 49, 59, 35, 44.
[Update to add link] http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/...5/patrick-kane
So you could rather easily make the argument that Kaner's individual play, at 5-on-5, didn't actually dip at all. His overall numbers just suffered because he, and the rest of the team, couldn't do a damn thing on the power play.
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using the PP is a poor mans excuse. unbelievable.
How is it a poor man's excuse?
How is it not something worth talking about when those are the only numbers that dropped? I spelled it all out for you. Now refute it.
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Isolating even strength minutes are actually a totally acceptable and logical way of analyzing a players ture performance (see CORSI) good find.
you are looking to cherry pick situations to make a case for Kane being good. Did the PP suck? yep. Did a lot of that fall on Kane in unit 1? yep. Size in the PP played a major role this year with Kane on the PP, teams changed their ways on the PK when he was out there. Teams used to give him open ice and he was deadly, now they chance it by throwing pressure with 2 players and he would turn the puck over time and time again.
Also his OPS took a nose dive from:
6.9 to 5.3 and was an 8.1 the stanley cup year.
DPS was a 2.2 in the stanley cup year than in order: 1.7, 1.6
Numbers trend shows a drop each year in the last 3 years.
Goals rank: 69th
Assists: 25th
Points: 33rd
+/-: 145th
PPg: 120th
Shots Taken: 21st
Shooting %: 9.1 which ranks 312
Is he elite? no
Is there potential to be elite? yes
Which is why you don't trade him when you believe that his value is low... if anything, the Blackhawks should sit him down and talk etiquette and then have a good off-season and keep him at one position all year instead of having him play 3 different spots throughout the season (Center, then Right Wing, then Center again, and some Left Wing in playoffs).
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Kane is a good hockey player,like any great player ur game has to adapt to what teams are trying to do to you. Kane was also trying to learn how to play center as well. In the end I feel that Kane will learn his paycheck.
Agree
shoot the damn puck more? he ranked 21st in the league for shots taken.
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Man, you and reading comprehension don't talk much, do you?
The entire point of my post was that Kane has, historically, gotten a fair chunk of his points on the PP. Since the power play sucked this year, his PP numbers reflected that. I also said in my post that he is obviously part of the blame for that. That was it. You then took off in a direction that I don't have the map to, because my brain works still.
His OPS numbers would suffer, too, because of those facts, because OPS doesn't factor in the PP/PK/even situations, to my knowledge, just overall points.
I even said Kane wasn't an elite guy last year.
But go ahead and twist my words around again.
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i passed the bar on bad reading comprhension.
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So tape to tape set ups have potential to mean absolutely nothing number wise?
Who knew?
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Could it potentially point the finger (you choose which one) more so at the coaching staff instead of the players?
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it can. unit 2 was on the coaching for sure. using krueger in combo with bruno eliminated any chance on that unit.
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I don't think PK'ng changes much...only the amount of pressure on the points has. Well, unless you want to score on it more than attempting to prevent the goal (the idiotic system we saw most this season).
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Unit 2 also had Monty screening (mostly). It was shocking how much success it had at first. Ugh.
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Alot of unwarranted stuff tossed at Kruger. Kid just played his first full season in North America.
Don't forget how well that backdoor play worked this year!
Aside from the net presence, which is a good idea too, I wish they'd start planting Kane or Sharp near the slot with their sticks on the ice and have them ready to snap wristers at the net at any time. Sometimes they'd get the puck down low to Toews in the corner, the entire defense would crash, then the slot would be wide open for someone to fire at the net. But there was never anyone there, all the Hawks players were scattered around the boards.
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Wrong thread? I haven't seen his name mentioned at all.
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