Was Kane Party Thread, Now Turned To Bolland For Selke Debates.

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by HawkWriter

Also he either has a NMC or a NTC, can't remember exactly which one but I think he can limit the teams he gets traded to.

I actually don't think his cap hit is that bad, at the time it wasn't great but with the salary cap continuing to go up over the last couple years it looks pretty decent now.

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**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by waldo7239117

What's new ... Starlin Castro, Brandon Marshall, Derric Rose and now Kane. Bitches want money!

right

funny how you mention chicago athletes, if it was ryan braun you would be saying he is guilty.

so because some cases have been that, that means kane is innocent? cmon now. its case by case.

Kane is a power drinker. do i think he would do these things sober? nope. But he obviously likes to drink and drink a lot and he may not be able to control himself. there is a trend with him and that cant be overlooked.

I know I know

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**waldo7239117** · 05-10-2012, 04:26 PM

Ryan Braun's is different ... it was for an illegal substance.

Rose, Marshall and Castro were accused by a women, so was Kane. That's only Chicago athletes, it happens all the time with professional athletes.

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by waldo7239117

Ryan Braun's is different ... it was for an illegal substance.
Rose, Marshall and Castro were accused by a women, so was Kane. That's only Chicago athletes, it happens all the time with professional athletes.

just using an opposition players name ( not talking about substance abuse ) in general if this was a rival teams player you would say he is guilty imo.

**Everyday I'm Byfuglien** · 05-10-2012, 04:35 PM

Never shoulda traded John Scott.

**icehogfan08** · 05-10-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

right

funny how you mention chicago athletes, if it was ryan braun you would be saying he is guilty.

so because some cases have been that, that means kane is innocent? cmon now. its case by case.

Kane is a power drinker. do i think he would do these things sober? nope. But he obviously likes to drink and drink a lot and he may not be able to control himself. there is a trend with him and that cant be overlooked.

I know I know

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**GrinderBall41** · 05-10-2012, 05:03 PM

I really doubt he choked a woman. On the other hand, frat guys are known for their honesty and trust worthiness. Thats why they say "always leave your drink unattended at a frat party."

Also yes, he's allowed to drink too much and act like a d bag. He's 23 and he's famous.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

"the level of immaturity from a 23 year old" exactly

"lunquivst is ok not great"

(jerk off gestures when asked about sedins)

kane is a tool. this is only going to be more of a problem

"Lundqvist is ok, not great."

"Sedins [jerkoffs]."

What to disagree with here?

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by HawkWriter

Also he either has a NMC or a NTC, can't remember exactly which one but I think he can limit the teams he gets traded to.

I actually don't think his cap hit is that bad, at the time it wasn't great but with the salary cap continuing to go up over the last couple years it looks pretty decent now.

I don't think he's been around long enough for his NMC to have kicked in yet.

**cubsneedmiracle** · 05-10-2012, 05:44 PM

Idk Hope its not true but this one can scream BS too..

**waldo7239117** · 05-10-2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

just using an opposition players name ( not talking about substance abuse ) in general if this was a rival teams player you would say he is guilty imo.

...but he was guilty (in terms). I liked Braun too and to be honest, I feel sorry for the guy. I really do hate when players are boo.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

I would love to.

Problem: player value is low for what he is. Bowman would get fleeced in a deal if he were to be shopped now. He is coming off a shit season, has a crap cap hit, and has a trend of off ice issues. his stock would need to go up and that means a great season next season to get his worth in return.

Will you consider his "shit season" was due to changing positions and [trying] to be more responsible defensively?

**Jntg4** · 05-10-2012, 06:01 PM

Just another story, until there is evidence I don't care too much. Even if a case lingers in a manner like Castro's, it won't necessarily effect on-ice play. Castro's case didn't slow him down much, but it is different from person to person.

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Iago

Will you consider his "shit season" was due to changing positions and [trying] to be more responsible defensively?

sure changing could have somewhat dampered his play but not to the point where he was at.

responsible defensively? no. not at all. he did NOTHING to improve that aspect of his game.

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wrigley FireHawks

Just another story, until there is evidence I don't care too much. Even if a case lingers in a manner like Castro's, it won't necessarily effect on-ice play. Castro's case didn't slow him down much, but it is different from person to person.

right because people dont do stupid shit when they are blasted out of their minds.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

sure changing could have somewhat dampered his play but not to the point where he was at.

responsible defensively? no. not at all. he did NOTHING to improve that aspect of his game.

I don't know if I agree with your nothing. Filling in for Toews at 1C for over 20 games at the end of the season where teams are playing their asses off helping lead the team to what 5 or so games over .500 might point otherwise. Certainly he's no Selke, but I think you're being too harsh.

**Capt. Serious** · 05-10-2012, 06:43 PM

Being too harsh? He's a lazy ass douche that has cherry picked in OT & paid for it.

Hmm, like that one game here, where Dats had all day to put it in?

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Iago

I don't know if I agree with your nothing. Filling in for Toews at 1C for over 20 games at the end of the season where teams are playing their asses off helping lead the team to what 5 or so games over .500 might point otherwise. Certainly he's no Selke, but I think you're being too harsh.

he has no "two way" game.

He is actually pretty poor on the defensive side.

he is a one dimensional player.

Does he have the ability to be better? im sure.

At best he is below avg when it comes to that.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 07:31 PM

He has been better than before. His back and stick checking has improved. He will only stand out occasionally. He doesn't have the size to work the corners or behind his own net (which is obviously where a specific plan with the D is implemented specifically for that). With that said, the team survived when he replaced the best player/defensively responsible forward on the team. That was an easy context to give up, not put in the effort, to think the hell with it. He didn't and the team didn't suffer because of it, like we all predicted. Sure, I don't want him playing center. They won't find one in the UFA market. Jolli is not coming to Chicago. It's not happening.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Capt. Serious

Being too harsh? He's a lazy ass douche that has cherry picked in OT & paid for it.

Hmm, like that one game here, where Dats had all day to put it in?

Which Phoenix OT goal did he cherry pick on that resulted in a loss? Show me. I don't believe you.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TLQOrYUOd8]Dave Bolland Awesome Goal On Anders Lindback - YouTube[/ame]

In addition, any team who pays this defenseman more than minimum is getting taken for a ride based on this one play.

**DewsSox79** · 05-10-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Iago

Which Phoenix OT goal did he cherry pick on that resulted in a loss? Show me. I don't believe you.

Dave Bolland Awesome Goal On Anders Lindback - YouTube

In addition, any team who pays this defenseman more than minimum is getting taken for a ride based on this one play.

he may not be talking about a yotes game.

and when have you become super duper fan? getting defensive over players much? shit.

still my boy though.

**Captain Iago** · 05-10-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by DewsSox79

he may not be talking about a yotes game.

and when have you become super duper fan? getting defensive over players much? shit.

still my boy though.

Nah, I'm not defensive. I think he's been more of a two way player than ever before...because he's had to be. I'm not declaring that his two way play is outstanding or going to be a platform for winning; it's not. I no not expect that, but I think there's something to be said for what he's done in Toews's absence. I simply don't think it's as bad as you've stated. The results are there.

The way Joe worded his post led me to believe that's a Phoenix OT goal is what he's talking about. If he's really going to bitch about cherry picking in regular season OT, then he's reaching an all new level of dumb posts before thinking his idea through.