Reply With Quotelove for asik is unwarranted.
really? That's the logic you wanna go with?Then he becomes a $15M expiring contract (which some team would surely be willing to trade for).
Stop crying over Brewer/Korver/Watson
None of them were very good players or worth keeping. At least they got back a future pick for Korver which is about all he is worth. C.J. Watson was very expendable with the drafting of Teague, and (for all we know) we can still get something back for Ronnie Brewer in a S&T.
Bulls' fans are seemingly in-denial that the Bulls have zero chance to do anything next season besides lose in the first round (at best). The F.O. should be positioning themselves to be able to contend in 2-4 seasons. The F.O. trying to make moves to stay competitive next season would be about as helpful as the Utah Jazz trying to make themselves contend with the Thunder and Lakers next season.
And say what you will about Asik's contract being too high. At least it would only cost $5M in each of the first two seasons. Then he becomes a $15M expiring contract (which some team would surely be willing to trade for). At this point, the Bulls would be smart to pick him back up.
I am not in-love with Asik but he is much more valuable to the Bulls than any of the names in the O.P.
love for asik is unwarranted.
really? That's the logic you wanna go with?Then he becomes a $15M expiring contract (which some team would surely be willing to trade for).
Fantasy Mock Draft:
QB - M, Ryan (1)
RB - A. Foster (2)
WR(x3) - A. Johnson (4), D Thomas (6), M. Wallace (9)
TE - H. Miller (19)
OT(x2) - J. Bushrod (10), R. Reiff (16)
OG(x2) - D. DeCastro (14)
OC - B. Meester (20)
DT(x2) - C. Liuget (18)
DE(x2) - C. Johnson (5), M. Wilkerson (15)
CB(x2) - M. Claiborne (8), D. McCourty (11)
S(x2) - M. Barron (13), B. Pollard (17)
LB(x3) - C. Matthews (3), N. Bowman (7) B. Wagner (12)
Fuck em all.
Amnosty the whole dam team except Rose and start over again.
Watson, Brewer, and Korver all did more to help the team win then Asik did. No one is crying for them, just wondering what sense it makes to sign a guy who can't even catch the ball, and regressed defensively when that was his strong point the year before. That is the issue.
I am not crazy with that money coming off of the books a whole 3 years from now. But, worse come to worse, there will be a few teams who's eyes will light up when they see that they can acquire a serviceable player who will allow them to have $15M come off of the books for the following season.Originally Posted by X-Factor
Honestly, I wouldn't cry over losing Asik either. But he certainly has helped the teams' #1 ranked defense and #1 ranked rebounding for the past 2 seasons. Individually, Asik is much harder to replace than any of those 3 perimeter bench players.
Last edited by RamiTheBullsFan; 07-15-2012 at 08:31 PM.
are you serious, clark? The only way that's gonna happen is if the Bulls take on a worse contract. What good does that do?
Fantasy Mock Draft:
QB - M, Ryan (1)
RB - A. Foster (2)
WR(x3) - A. Johnson (4), D Thomas (6), M. Wallace (9)
TE - H. Miller (19)
OT(x2) - J. Bushrod (10), R. Reiff (16)
OG(x2) - D. DeCastro (14)
OC - B. Meester (20)
DT(x2) - C. Liuget (18)
DE(x2) - C. Johnson (5), M. Wilkerson (15)
CB(x2) - M. Claiborne (8), D. McCourty (11)
S(x2) - M. Barron (13), B. Pollard (17)
LB(x3) - C. Matthews (3), N. Bowman (7) B. Wagner (12)
But IKorver
Not necessarily true at all. Perhaps a team like the Lakers will want to use Asik's services (after Bynum gets his annual injury) for one season and trade the Bulls a bunch of players with 1-year expiring contracts and a pick.
Either way, the $15M hit won't come until there is only a year left on Asik and Boozer's contract. Both players will be tradeable at that point.
Let's say the Bulls traded Asik's 15M expiring contract (in 2014) for a $5M per-year Courtney Lee-caliber SG and $9M worth of expiring contract scrubs to go along with a 2nd round draft pick. Who's complaining then?
Last edited by RamiTheBullsFan; 07-15-2012 at 05:08 PM.
I'm not crying that those 3 are gone...heck I anticipated it since the day they were signed due to the nature of their contracts. What I was more upset with was that they didn't try to acquire an asset using their non guaranteed contracts, or at least do something like they did with Korver and get a pick out of it or a trade exception. You knew CJ was gone the moment we drafted Teague. Brewer and Korver are extremely good at what they do, but they are replaceable.
You are right that the Bulls won't be contending this year (but really, who thought they could after Rose went down?) and that they should be thinking a few years down the line. Perhaps that's why they didn't do anything in free agency this year.
NBA Redraft Roster
PG-Derrick Rose
SG-Manu Ginobili
SF-Gerald Wallace
PF-Pau Gasol
C-Dwight Howard
Bench
PG-Kyle Lowry
SG-Wesley Matthews
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Amare Stoudamire
C-Marcin Gortat
Hidden Content
The team we just gypped.
NBA Redraft Roster
PG-Derrick Rose
SG-Manu Ginobili
SF-Gerald Wallace
PF-Pau Gasol
C-Dwight Howard
Bench
PG-Kyle Lowry
SG-Wesley Matthews
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Amare Stoudamire
C-Marcin Gortat
Hidden Content
I'm not particularly upset with the loss any of them but more the way it occurred. That group proved that they were successful in the regular season and successful in the playoffs with Rose. All of them were on affordable 1 yr deals so it wasn't like they were preventing us from any future plans. I believe bringing them all back represented our best chance of making some sort of run this year. With the loss of Rose and Deng, that depth will be sorely missed to start the year. Furthermore, you could have packaged all their deals during the draft to take on picks or at the deadline for a real player. Instead, we just cut them to avoid paying the tax for a single year. This move was not made with the intention to win us games but just cut costs.
The Chicago Bulls: It was a business move!
huh? #1 ranked offense?
it's MUCH harder to replace a guy with bad hands,limited scoring ability, and rebounds and plays good D, but is limited in that he's not fit for a starting role?
that describes half of the centers in the NBA....
i'm not going to argue the comparison, because i can agree that guys like watson/korver/and brewer are a bit more expendable(they have their perks, but it's not too difficult to find a guard that can play decent D amplified by a good defensive system, or a guy who can shoot the 3 well in a game that in this era prioritizes the 3 point shot.)
if i'm playing devil's advocate, i could argue that asik is young and has some potential, has really no injury history, fills a backup role to noah and may be needed if noah gets hurt which is always serious possibility,and of course the possible expiring contract
But do we expect asik to fulfill his potential just because he is young,especially when he has shown no real evidence of being starting material,and is pretty much solidified as a backup? What do we realistically expect him to accomplish in 3 years?
he has some potential,some is the key word....he's not like an andre drummond or a javale mcgee that is absolutely blessed with physical tools that,with a skillset,could be a serious force
having no injury history is a plus, but as soon as we praise him for his durability, he could end up hampering his knee...i mean there are plenty of guys who barely miss any games their first couple of seasons and end up with a slew of injuries....so we can only hope that he continues his string of health..but he is a big man that takes alot of contact,and puts alot of pressure on his lower body...
what about that backup role? that's where we focus back into whether or not asik is expendable....my thought is you could do a sign and trade with asik or do some shopping around.....while asik is helpful for the defense, you already have noah and taj to man the post..and i think his defensive contributions are more than replacable
and then we get to the expiring contract...is it attractive? no doubt...but couldn't you sign and trade him and/or let him go and look for another backup center?without having the burden of the backloaded contract? The issue i see with the backloaded contract is that you have alot of contracts(like deng's boozers,noahs) that are getting towards the back of the deals,which means if you give asik the deal, you are going pretty deep into the luxury tax(albeit,for probably a year, but then you have to get rid of asik and another contract before you have room to really make any big signings..maybe it's just me but idk how many teams will give a high profile player for boozer and asik's expiring contracts)
so all in all, asik has his benefits, but he is an expendable backup who at this point really isn't fit for the starting lineup and has proved less than the bench guards
so i don't sign him
watson,brewer,and korver were UFAs in 2013 anyway...dont miss em too much(except maybe korver, if he is not adequately replaced with a 3 point shooter)
meant rebounding.
At least the Bulls are giving themselves a chance to pick up a starting caliber SG (like Mayo this year or perhaps another one next year) by ridding themselves of those 3.
There are benefits as well of Asik's deal being heavy on the back-end of it if the Bulls play their cards right- one of them being that it is merely one year of heavy expense. And another being that teams are going to be interested in trading for that expiring deal.
i agree with you mostly on the whole guard situation...although even with those guys gone the bulls still don't have a ton of free money....but at least there is a possibility
if they don't get mayo, which could very well happen.....then you go for a 3 point shooter to sign and/or a guy who can back up rip and play D well...basically refilling the designations left by korver and brewer....the players are expendable...but the designations not so much
big assumption there,considering what you're addressing
why even go through the risk of the bulls FO "not playing their cards right" and having to dive into the luxury for a back up,expendable center?
i don't have alot of trust in the bulls FO, but i trust they could sign or do a sign and trade for an expendable center(which probably wouldn't require anything backloaded) more than i trust them "playing their cards right" with a massive backloaded contract
Let's say the Bulls can't give Taj Gibson an extension because they blew 15 million for a bench player who can not catch the damn basketball.
Who is complaining then?
Well, I AM!!!
I personally enjoyed having the 3 of them on the team. Always liked Korver's shot too.
Wish them the best. Hopefully we'll see the roster fill out with some decent players:
The Bulls are going to need to pay Taj big-time. IMO, it is time to trade him while they can. It will make whatever we gave Asik look reasonable.
That's your logic for matching Asik's ridiculous offer? I'm just curious, what teams "eyes will light up" to have a chance to trade for a 1-dimensional center with a $15M paycheck?
Matching Asik because there's the possibility he could be traded is incredibly stupid & a fairly unrealistic scenario. ASIK IS REPLACEABLE! There's no need to handcuff yourself with yet ANOTHER bad contract when you have a more important player (Taj) who deserves a deal similar to Asik's offer & who ACTUALLY can start on almost any team. Taj is seen as our PF of the future. He will be our starting PF when Boozer is cut. We're already paying 1 defensive minded center $11M per. We don't need an overpriced backup just becuase Paxson is once again scared that if he lets a player he drafted leave, he'll succeed somewhere else.
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