Mike Tice & Bears O-line...will it ever improve?
They looked terrible last night. And half the time its not that they are physically overwhelmed, its just that they blow assignments or completely botch the pass protection. They look good for 2 plays, then the third play Webb becomes a turnstile and the QB gets sacked. I don't understand how, if Tice is such a great coach, the offensive line can still be so inconsistent. Having Webb as your blindside tackle is always going to leave the Bears short-handed, and I don't think Tice is smart enough to be able to compensate for this. If the Bears and Tice can't fix their offensive line woes, then expect another 8-8 year.
This is said every single year, and was blasted all over the place before the 2010 season, yet they managed to pull together a 11-5 season and make the NFC Championship Game (Yes you can say schedule, easy playoff opponent, blah blah blah, fact is they won games). Last year the same was said again, and after a shaky start they seem to settle in until Jay Cutler got injured.Originally Posted by Rory Sparrow
We obviously do not have a good line on paper. Just about every single preseason they suck horribly. They start out the regular season shaky as well. But they seem to settle in at some point in the season. Either way, we all know the line still needs improvement, but the Bears can be a playoff team with this line.
it will improve...
when we get better talent
QB-Brady
RB-Lynch
WR- Colston, Welker, Blackmon
TE- Lewis
OL-Okung(LT) Moore(LG) Velasco(C) Joseph(RG) Smith(T)
DL- Kerrigan(DE), McCoy(DT), Canty(DT), Irvin(DE)
LB- Dumervil, Cushing, K. J. Wright
CB, Haden, Flowers
S- Goldson, Ward
K- Dawson
P-Mike Scifres
I didn't get a chance to see the whole game (family time), but from what I saw of the the first team offense...it was "offensive"
The O-line still isn't playing as a cohesive unit (which I don't they have since 2006). And since it's preseason...I'm not trying to worry too much. But they just look like 5 guys out there trying to block someone, which usually leads to one or more of them missing a block. And were some of them confused with the snap count? Because I saw Carimi basically get pushed back into Bell on a running play.
And yet, all you can do is rag on me for saying the Bears have waisted 2 years in trying to address this problem. Nice.
True, but I think Cutler not getting injured until last year was remarkable in itself. If they can't get their assignments down and protect better, I would guess that Cutler suffers another season-ending injury this year, too.
And its also true that the Bears O-line starts slow. But what I don't get is that now its been the same guys for the past few years, and they are still making the same mistakes they made 3 years ago. If you aren't going to bring in new guys and try to build around what you have, then I would think that their "cohesion" would be better.
You are a terrible poster. 2011, Bears spend 1st round pick on OL...NCChiFan "The Bears aren't trying to address this problem."And yet, all you can do is rag on me for saying the Bears have waisted 2 years in trying to address this problem. Nice.
I've already done the circle jerk with you about 5 times already on this issue. If you still can't comprehend what I've been saying, then there is no hope. Stay out of this thread, its an actual football discussion.
TY
Technically they did get Cutler injured in 2010..concussion. Much of that is due to the fact Martz did 7 step drops though constantly.
That is a good point. There isn't much change at OL other than Gabe Carimi coming back into the mix. The OL played its best last season without Gabe. But while blocking is all relatively the same, they also technically have a new offense. Lets see what they look like in the 3rd preseason game when the starters all play at least the 1st half.And its also true that the Bears O-line starts slow. But what I don't get is that now its been the same guys for the past few years, and they are still making the same mistakes they made 3 years ago. If you aren't going to bring in new guys and try to build around what you have, then I would think that their "cohesion" would be better.
Yea, but 1/2 the time you don't talk about the subject of a thread you talk about how awful someone's post was and how terrible a poster they are.
And, I'm glad your starting to agree with me that the Bears have done little to address the issue at LT over the past two years.
I wish it was only limited to LT.
It's shakey and sadly had nothing in terms or run blocking.. But Webb was far from the worst starter on that unit in that preseason game. Not that its a telling of what really will come to be. He had gaffs but pass protection he gave up nothing of major issue. The one sack people wanna blame on him was a big coverage sack, Webb still could of done better but Mccown stepped back, stepped into the pocket but decided to tuck and run which got him moed down. If they had some WRs not being rookies or sanzenbacher on that play it could of been fine.
Spencer looked just awful, several plays the rest of the group looked great and in sync yet Spencer got handed by 1 on 1 by anyone they had at DT. I know he looked decent last year but maybe it was the fluke everyone thought since he was considered a poor center at Seattle.
You remind me of Nathan Thurm. Gosh, you suck.
"Why's it always the other person who's being defensive? You ever ask yourself that?"
Yup, way to scold me about staying on topic, yet you stayed on the football topic so well with this post. Typical.
"Is it me? It's him...right?"
ummm....
I think the OL will be fine. I tihnk we'll see a big difference between yesterday's OL performance and the performance by, say, week 3 of the reg. season. It's gonna take some time w/ the new offense and the whole not playing for 8 months or so.
Fantasy Mock Draft:
QB - M, Ryan (1)
RB - A. Foster (2)
WR(x3) - A. Johnson (4), D Thomas (6), M. Wallace (9)
TE - H. Miller (19)
OT(x2) - J. Bushrod (10), R. Reiff (16)
OG(x2) - D. DeCastro (14), R. Simms (22)
OC - B. Meester (20)
DT(x2) - C. Liuget (18), R. Starks (21)
DE(x2) - C. Johnson (5), M. Wilkerson (15)
CB(x2) - M. Claiborne (8), D. McCourty (11)
S(x2) - M. Barron (13), B. Pollard (17)
LB(x3) - C. Matthews (3), N. Bowman (7) B. Wagner (12)
K - J. Scobee (23)
P -
It may just be the preseason, but the O-Line was hot garbage last night. Tice loves Webb way too much because of his measurables and his seemingly great potential. Chris Williams couldn't possibly be any worse than Webb is and was last night. Chris Spencer was also horrible and is a turnstile at LG.
I really hope the Bears draft a LT in the first couple of rounds, or throw a ton of money at Jake Long who will be a FA after this season. If he's tagged by the Dolphins they should try and trade for him.
Webb almost played the entire game last night. Tice was just looking for Webb to do something good, so he could pretty much all but give him and the job, and Webb still looked bad.
#JWEBBNATION
The problem is Webb probably will never improve significantly. He's played a lot for the past couple seasons and he's still not good. He's just an athlete with all the physical tools needed to be a good NFL tackle but just isn't good at it.
Fixed it for you. The way he talked about himself during the post game, well, he just doesn't have a handle on the mental aspect of playing the position atleast, that's the way I read his remarks.
To answer your question yes. But another questions arises and that's how long?
I think that the two players with the biggest question marks are both tackles. And the only way I see for them to get better is by playing and gaining experience. Gabe stayed in longer than normal as well. Webb got the most because I think he needs the most work. So hopefully he will play them both for extended amounts of time again and just let then grow into it. That's the only hope as there isn't anyone else out there to solve this problem.
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I agree with youAnd yet, all you can do is rag on me for saying the Bears have waisted 2 years in trying to address this problem. Nice.
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Here's what I don't understand.
During the 5-game win streak last season, they gave up a TOTAL of five sacks in those games. Allowing an average of one sack per game will put you near the top of the NFL each season. And it's not like that was against some awful teams, either. Teams in that streak included Detroit, Philly and San Diego.
I don't believe that they're devoid of the ability to be a serviceable offensive line. It just doesn't happen enough.
@_DaveMelton
You're brain dead.
Best you can do after an extended absence is to take a personal swipe at a fellow Bear fan?
There firsttimer, that should make you feel better.
Last edited by NCChiFan; 08-13-2012 at 08:32 PM.
No idea what this is, but it sounds painful.
May want to get it checked out.
And posting in this thread was far from the best I've done since I've been back. Pointing out your idiocy is rather easy.
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