Cubs hire a new scouting director

dabynsky · Aug 10, 2012

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/12606/report-cubs-hire-new-scouting-director

Cubs are apparently set to hire Jaron Madison to be the scouting director effectively replacing Tim Wilken. I've been pretty fond of Wilken who gets a lot of undue criticism for draft picks like Simpson that was a combination of the Cubs being cheap with the draft prior to the Ricketts era and bad luck. Madison has been the scouting director in San Deigo and really can't argue with his track record. Many speculated that Wilken would be done after this season, and it appears that Fleita and Bush are the last of the holdovers from the Hendry era.

Jntg4 · Aug 10, 2012

So is Wilken fired or demoted?

I liked Wilken too, but this sounds like a guy Hoyer knows well enough to ensure this move is good.

dabynsky · Aug 10, 2012

Well I was taking it to mean that Wilken was going to get replaced since he was getting hired for Wilken's position and I was pretty sure Wilken's contract ran through this season. Now Sullivan and Miles are tweeting that Wilken is going to stay and has the respect of the current administration. I like this move a lot as a pure add to the organization.

nwfisch · Aug 10, 2012

No Theo no good :smh:

dabynsky · Aug 10, 2012

http://padres.scout.com/2/1190168.html

This is an interview Madison that Cubs Den found. Pretty interesting stuff that gives you a look at the philosophy that Theo and Jed preach in terms of the draft.

cubsneedmiracle · Aug 10, 2012

dabynsky said:
http://padres.scout.com/2/1190168.html

This is an interview Madison that Cubs Den found. Pretty interesting stuff that gives you a look at the philosophy that Theo and Jed preach in terms of the draft.

Sounds like a good hire to me.

dabynsky · Aug 10, 2012

Kaplan is saying that Wilken is being made a special assistant to Theo.

cubsneedmiracle · Aug 10, 2012

dabynsky said:
Kaplan is saying that Wilken is being made a special assistant to Theo.

Wow.. So in other words.. our entire front office is pretty stacked now..

Completely different than a few years ago.

dabynsky · Aug 10, 2012

I was right about Wilken's contract status because Sullivan says the "promotion" comes with a contract extension.

2SeamHeat · Aug 10, 2012

cubsneedmiracle said:
Wow.. So in other words.. our entire front office is pretty stacked now..

Completely different than a few years ago.

Completely different from last year.... nevertheless a few years ago.

Jntg4 · Aug 10, 2012

:yeah: Keeping both!

waldo7239117 · Aug 11, 2012

I'm glad they kept Wilken and good for him on the promotion. When you think the Cubs are done hiring in the FO, they're now. The payroll isn't big as it was, but Ricketts is paying a lot to the FO.

dabynsky · Aug 11, 2012

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120810&content_id=36471254&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc

Muskat describes Wilken's new role. This is what I like about the new FO. They aren't opposed to scouting and Hendry did collect a lot of well respected guys from the scouting side of the game. Wilken provides a different voice from the guys that Theo and Jed have worked with in Boston and SD. Wilken has a good eye for talent and keeping him while adding a guy like Madison is a huge plus.

Rice Cube · Aug 11, 2012

dabynsky said:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120810&content_id=36471254&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc

Muskat describes Wilken's new role. This is what I like about the new FO. They aren't opposed to scouting and Hendry did collect a lot of well respected guys from the scouting side of the game. Wilken provides a different voice from the guys that Theo and Jed have worked with in Boston and SD. Wilken has a good eye for talent and keeping him while adding a guy like Madison is a huge plus.

I like how the article didn't mention Hayden Simpson as one of his first-round signings

2SeamHeat · Aug 11, 2012

dabynsky said:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120810&content_id=36471254&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc

Muskat describes Wilken's new role. This is what I like about the new FO. They aren't opposed to scouting and Hendry did collect a lot of well respected guys from the scouting side of the game. Wilken provides a different voice from the guys that Theo and Jed have worked with in Boston and SD. Wilken has a good eye for talent and keeping him while adding a guy like Madison is a huge plus.

I also think Epstein and Hoyer were big on Fleita. He seems to be pretty good at his job in terms of player development. He's gotten some relatively good stuff out of guys that were drafted because they were cheap... not because they were necessarily good.

2SeamHeat · Aug 11, 2012

Rice Cube said:
I like how the article didn't mention Hayden Simpson as one of his first-round signings

Yeah, I noticed that too. there's no secret that the ownership at the time wasn't too keen on paying for anything but overhyped MLB FAs that would make the team look more valuable to those interested in purchasing it.

waldo7239117 · Aug 11, 2012

Rice Cube said:
I like how the article didn't mention Hayden Simpson as one of his first-round signings

It really wasn't his pick... If you know what I mean.

2SeamHeat · Aug 11, 2012

waldo7239117 said:
It really wasn't his pick... If you know what I mean.

Nor was Vitters. Wilken wanted Weiters, but the cash wasn't granted to sign him.

Rice Cube · Aug 11, 2012

This might be a bit of a repeat of the last article but they outline what Wilken's new responsibilities might be...

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/12647/cubs-to-use-wilken-at-greater-capacity

dabynsky · Aug 11, 2012

Ultimately if you look at the best farm systems they spent the most. The Cubs didn't with the White Sox being one of the few teams spending worse. The fact that each team ranks low in terms of first system shouldn't be a surprise. If you look at the talent Wilken has picked though his reputation as a scout shouldn't be questioned, which is why I like his retention with a front office that puts more value on objective analysis.

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