A Carlos Boozer for Ben Gordon trade that.... that kind of makes sense!

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Alright, the idea of Carlos Boozer being traded in order to get the Bulls under the luxury tax has floated around for the last few weeks. Unfortunately, the proposed trade for the Raptors leaves us with some cap relief and a player in Andrea Bargnani who's porous defense in plummeting field goal percentage simply isn't a good alternative for a player in Boozer who's put up close to 20/10 since the beginning of January.

But in this proposed trade, the Bulls acquire several interesting assets. Although, I'm sure several forum members are more concerned with a Ben Gordon reunion. Here's a link to the deal.

Deal outline

Charlotte Bobcats acquire
Carlos Boozer PF
Richard Hamilton SG
Kirk Hinrich PG
Nate Robinson PG

Chicago Bulls acquire
Ben Gordon SG
DeSegana Diop C
Ramon Sessions PG
Byron Mullens C

Why the deal makes sense for Charlotte

With such a promising start to the season, it's mind-blowing that the Bobs are once again writhing on the floor of the NBA basement ready to count their ping pong balls and hope for another top selection. A core of Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Gerald Henderson is a decent place to start, but with a complete lack of front-court depth (virtually zero production from Tyrus Thomas, DeSegana Diop and Bismack Biyombo) and no true floor leader, the Bobcats desperately need to shake things up.

The team statistics are dreadful -- 25th in points per game, 27th in rebounding, and 30th in assists. Boozer's addition would certainly help address both points and rebounds. He could also provide an interesting pick and roll partner for the young Kemba walker. One of the biggest issues with the way this roster is constructed is that any player the have with any ability on offense is only effective with the ball in their hands (Sessions, Gordon, Henderson, and Walker himself). Adding players like Boozer and Hamilton will give the Bobs two guys that can help the team without needing the ball on every possession.

Hinrich and Robinson are nice additions to the bench, as well. Robinson has proved he still can be an instant spark for a second unit and Hinrich would be a nice change of pace across from him -- Robinson acting as the catalyst and Hinrich as the distributor. One other unsung addition to this trade is that the Bobs, who have yet to use their amnesty clause, would be able to amnesty Boozer in the future. So if his production were to fall off before his deal expires in 2015 or they're unable to acquire an acceptable return for him in a trade, they can wash their hands of his salary.

Why the deal makes sense for Chicago

Regardless of who you ask, they'll all say the biggest issues hamstringing the Bulls is an inability to space the floor. Enter Ben Gordon and Byron Mullens. Gordon may not have lived up to this $55 million dollar deal, but he still hits 40% of his threes and can shoot his team in (or more famously... out) of a game. Mullens could be the prize of the deal. With the increased minutes he's received in Charlotte, Mullens has proven that he can be an effective shooter with surprising range and a decent ability to snag rebounds. He'll be a restricted free agent next year, so the Bulls could have to decide what kind of investment they'd like to make in him moving forward.

Ramon Sessions has the ability to step in and anchor the second unit. He, Marco Belinelli and Jimmy Butler could anchor the second unit and provide an ample amount of scoring. Diop comes in as a marginal rotation player who can slide in at center as a pinch. WIth the addition of Mullens and Diop, the Bulls go from having little front court depth to a adequate collection of guys.

The other important aspect of this trade is the financial flexibility acquired in this deal. With Diop's deal ($7.4MM) coming off the books, the Bulls have the caproom to absorb not only Taj Gibson's extension, but any potential contract they'd want to extend to Mullens. I look at it this way -- Mullens may not be the ideal option for the Bulls, but his floor spacing from the four and five would be nice, especially with Rose coming back. And for the 2013-14 season, the Bulls have a whopping $30 million coming off the books with Luol Deng, Ben Gordon and Ramon Sessions. Those expiring deals could land the Bulls some juicy assets going forward.

When you look at the canvas for the Bulls, they'd have a core roster in 2013 of Rose, Gordon, Deng, Gibson and Noah as starters and Butler, Teague and Sessions as rotation players. With no other deals considered, the Bulls would go into 2014 with just Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler and Teague locked down for just $42.1MM. Think that might be enough space to sign another max player to go along with that core? Again, this doesn't even consider what the Bulls could snag for all of those expiring deals.

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i like that cause we get rid of Kirk and Boozer...is this something that is actually being talked about or is it just one you came up with?
 

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i like that cause we get rid of Kirk and Boozer...is this something that is actually being talked about or is it just one you came up with?

Just something I've been kicking around on the Trade Machine.
 

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This trade didn't work for me in the trade machine for me for some reason. It actually adds to our cap number this year, which isn't great, and saves a few mil next year. It free's up quite a bit of cap room for 2014, however, which I like. We wouldn't really be touch the core of the team, which I like. We'd get two 7'0" 's which I Love! And we'd get BG's outside shot. Not a bad BG trade actually. Can any of those big men hit the 3 well? Then I might consider it as something that would make us better now, and not completely waste our future, imo. Here are the cap numbers on this one:

After the trade:

Player
2012/20132013/20142014/20152015/20162016/2017
Derrick Rose16,402,55217,632,74318,862,93420,093,12621,323,317
Luol Deng13,305,00014,275,000UFA--
Joakim Noah11,300,00011,100,00012,200,00013,400,000UFA
Taj Gibson2,155,8117,550,0008,000,0008,500,0008,950,000
Ben Gordon12,400,00013,200,000UFA
DeSagana Diop7,372,200UFA
Ramon Sessions5,000,0005,000,000UFA
B.J. Mullens2,253,0613,293,975
Marco Belinelli1,957,000UFA---
Nazr Mohammed1,352,181UFA---
Vladimir Radmanovic1,352,181UFA---
Jimmy Butler1,066,9201,112,8802,008,7483,013,123-
Marquis Teague857,0001,074,7201,120,920RFA3,034,891
Daequan Cook617,399UFA---
Total Salary77,391,30574,239,31842,192,60245,006,24933,308,208

Before the trade:

Player
2012/20132013/20142014/20152015/20162016/2017
Derrick Rose16,402,55217,632,74318,862,93420,093,12621,323,317
Carlos Boozer15,000,00015,300,00016,800,000UFA-
Luol Deng13,305,00014,275,000UFA--
Joakim Noah11,300,00011,100,00012,200,00013,400,000UFA
Richard Hamilton5,000,0005,000,000UFA--
Kirk Hinrich3,941,0004,059,000UFA--
Taj Gibson2,155,8117,550,0008,000,0008,500,0008,950,000
Marco Belinelli1,957,000UFA---
Nazr Mohammed1,352,181UFA---
Vladimir Radmanovic1,352,181UFA---
Nate Robinson1,146,337UFA---
Jimmy Butler1,066,9201,112,8802,008,7483,013,123-
Marquis Teague857,0001,074,7201,120,920RFA3,034,891
Daequan Cook617,399UFA---
Total Salary75,453,38177,104,34358,992,60245,006,24933,308,208
 

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I was using some of the Kyle Korver trade exception to make the deal work for this year.
 

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also if we made this trade we'd have the two ugliest players in the nba :troll:
 

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Holy crap Diop makes 7+M a year?

I like the trade for us, which probably means that the other team wouldn't even think of accepting it. Though, the Bobcats are an interesting case since they're so bad anyway that it's not like they're going to get anywhere with the players they have. BG over Rip is a pretty big upgrade at this point. At minimum gives us a go to scorer and deadeye shooter. The big part I like about this trade is us getting Sessions. I've been a pretty big fan of his game for awhile. He's definitely one of the best backup PGs in the league and could step in and contribute at starting PG better than Kirk because he's that much better offensively. Mullins also provides a huge upgrade at backup C, but personally, I don't think he's THAT good. I think he shoots somewhere in the low 40s in FG%. Makes a lot of sense for us, but I don't think it'd ever happen.
 

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Holy crap Diop makes 7+M a year?

I like the trade for us, which probably means that the other team wouldn't even think of accepting it. Though, the Bobcats are an interesting case since they're so bad anyway that it's not like they're going to get anywhere with the players they have. BG over Rip is a pretty big upgrade at this point. At minimum gives us a go to scorer and deadeye shooter. The big part I like about this trade is us getting Sessions. I've been a pretty big fan of his game for awhile. He's definitely one of the best backup PGs in the league and could step in and contribute at starting PG better than Kirk because he's that much better offensively. Mullins also provides a huge upgrade at backup C, but personally, I don't think he's THAT good. I think he shoots somewhere in the low 40s in FG%. Makes a lot of sense for us, but I don't think it'd ever happen.

part of his low FG% is that he takes A LOT of jumpers. from the 3 alone he averages almost 5 attempts a game.
 

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Alright, the idea of Carlos Boozer being traded in order to get the Bulls under the luxury tax has floated around for the last few weeks. Unfortunately, the proposed trade for the Raptors leaves us with some cap relief and a player in Andrea Bargnani who's porous defense in plummeting field goal percentage simply isn't a good alternative for a player in Boozer who's put up close to 20/10 since the beginning of January.

But in this proposed trade, the Bulls acquire several interesting assets. Although, I'm sure several forum members are more concerned with a Ben Gordon reunion. Here's a link to the deal.

Deal outline

Charlotte Bobcats acquire
Carlos Boozer PF
Richard Hamilton SG
Kirk Hinrich PG
Nate Robinson PG

Chicago Bulls acquire
Ben Gordon SG
DeSegana Diop C
Ramon Sessions PG
Byron Mullens C

Why the deal makes sense for Charlotte

With such a promising start to the season, it's mind-blowing that the Bobs are once again writhing on the floor of the NBA basement ready to count their ping pong balls and hope for another top selection. A core of Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Gerald Henderson is a decent place to start, but with a complete lack of front-court depth (virtually zero production from Tyrus Thomas, DeSegana Diop and Bismack Biyombo) and no true floor leader, the Bobcats desperately need to shake things up.

The team statistics are dreadful -- 25th in points per game, 27th in rebounding, and 30th in assists. Boozer's addition would certainly help address both points and rebounds. He could also provide an interesting pick and roll partner for the young Kemba walker. One of the biggest issues with the way this roster is constructed is that any player the have with any ability on offense is only effective with the ball in their hands (Sessions, Gordon, Henderson, and Walker himself). Adding players like Boozer and Hamilton will give the Bobs two guys that can help the team without needing the ball on every possession.

Hinrich and Robinson are nice additions to the bench, as well. Robinson has proved he still can be an instant spark for a second unit and Hinrich would be a nice change of pace across from him -- Robinson acting as the catalyst and Hinrich as the distributor. One other unsung addition to this trade is that the Bobs, who have yet to use their amnesty clause, would be able to amnesty Boozer in the future. So if his production were to fall off before his deal expires in 2015 or they're unable to acquire an acceptable return for him in a trade, they can wash their hands of his salary.

Why the deal makes sense for Chicago

Regardless of who you ask, they'll all say the biggest issues hamstringing the Bulls is an inability to space the floor. Enter Ben Gordon and Byron Mullens. Gordon may not have lived up to this $55 million dollar deal, but he still hits 40% of his threes and can shoot his team in (or more famously... out) of a game. Mullens could be the prize of the deal. With the increased minutes he's received in Charlotte, Mullens has proven that he can be an effective shooter with surprising range and a decent ability to snag rebounds. He'll be a restricted free agent next year, so the Bulls could have to decide what kind of investment they'd like to make in him moving forward.

Ramon Sessions has the ability to step in and anchor the second unit. He, Marco Belinelli and Jimmy Butler could anchor the second unit and provide an ample amount of scoring. Diop comes in as a marginal rotation player who can slide in at center as a pinch. WIth the addition of Mullens and Diop, the Bulls go from having little front court depth to a adequate collection of guys.

The other important aspect of this trade is the financial flexibility acquired in this deal. With Diop's deal ($7.4MM) coming off the books, the Bulls have the caproom to absorb not only Taj Gibson's extension, but any potential contract they'd want to extend to Mullens. I look at it this way -- Mullens may not be the ideal option for the Bulls, but his floor spacing from the four and five would be nice, especially with Rose coming back. And for the 2013-14 season, the Bulls have a whopping $30 million coming off the books with Luol Deng, Ben Gordon and Ramon Sessions. Those expiring deals could land the Bulls some juicy assets going forward.

When you look at the canvas for the Bulls, they'd have a core roster in 2013 of Rose, Gordon, Deng, Gibson and Noah as starters and Butler, Teague and Sessions as rotation players. With no other deals considered, the Bulls would go into 2014 with just Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler and Teague locked down for just $42.1MM. Think that might be enough space to sign another max player to go along with that core? Again, this doesn't even consider what the Bulls could snag for all of those expiring deals.

As always..... comments, questions, etc., are encouraged.

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This trade didn't work for me in the trade machine for me for some reason. It actually adds to our cap number this year, which isn't great, and saves a few mil next year. It free's up quite a bit of cap room for 2014, however, which I like. We wouldn't really be touch the core of the team, which I like. We'd get two 7'0" 's which I Love! And we'd get BG's outside shot. Not a bad BG trade actually. Can any of those big men hit the 3 well? Then I might consider it as something that would make us better now, and not completely waste our future, imo. Here are the cap numbers on this one:

After the trade:

Player
2012/20132013/20142014/20152015/20162016/2017
Derrick Rose16,402,55217,632,74318,862,93420,093,12621,323,317
Luol Deng13,305,00014,275,000UFA--
Joakim Noah11,300,00011,100,00012,200,00013,400,000UFA
Taj Gibson2,155,8117,550,0008,000,0008,500,0008,950,000
Ben Gordon12,400,00013,200,000UFA
DeSagana Diop7,372,200UFA
Ramon Sessions5,000,0005,000,000UFA
B.J. Mullens2,253,0613,293,975
Marco Belinelli1,957,000UFA---
Nazr Mohammed1,352,181UFA---
Vladimir Radmanovic1,352,181UFA---
Jimmy Butler1,066,9201,112,8802,008,7483,013,123-
Marquis Teague857,0001,074,7201,120,920RFA3,034,891
Daequan Cook617,399UFA---
Total Salary77,391,30574,239,31842,192,60245,006,24933,308,208

Before the trade:

Player
2012/20132013/20142014/20152015/20162016/2017
Derrick Rose16,402,55217,632,74318,862,93420,093,12621,323,317
Carlos Boozer15,000,00015,300,00016,800,000UFA-
Luol Deng13,305,00014,275,000UFA--
Joakim Noah11,300,00011,100,00012,200,00013,400,000UFA
Richard Hamilton5,000,0005,000,000UFA--
Kirk Hinrich3,941,0004,059,000UFA--
Taj Gibson2,155,8117,550,0008,000,0008,500,0008,950,000
Marco Belinelli1,957,000UFA---
Nazr Mohammed1,352,181UFA---
Vladimir Radmanovic1,352,181UFA---
Nate Robinson1,146,337UFA---
Jimmy Butler1,066,9201,112,8802,008,7483,013,123-
Marquis Teague857,0001,074,7201,120,920RFA3,034,891
Daequan Cook617,399UFA---
Total Salary75,453,38177,104,34358,992,60245,006,24933,308,208

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this might come as a surprise but.....no thank you

somebody posted the stats on BAB of when Gordon and Mullens are on the floor together....let me say its not pretty...its probably the worst duo in NBA history lol

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Actually wouldn't mind a trade like this.....though losing my boy Nate would be the collateral haha
 

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this trade we get more but its not really a better deal.....i'd rather just get gordon and then sign kenyon martin and trade rip somewere

sessions is really the only upgrade we're getting(besides gordon)...but i wouldn't mind reuniting Kirk and BG

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this trade we get more but its not really a better deal.....'d rather just get gordon and then sign kenyon martin and trade rip somewere

sessions is really the only upgrade we're getting...but i wouldn't mind reuniting Kirk and BG

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Could definitely go without anymore Hinrich so adding him to a trade is fine in my book. lol
 

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