What to do with Deng

What should the Bulls do with SF Luol Deng?


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Sign him to a short term extension -- Not an option. He'll get big offers from other teams if he hits free agency.
 

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Personally - I wonder if Dallas would have interest. Apparently Dirk is willing to take a significant paycut.... so they'd have the room to add him likely. Wonder if we could get Mayo et. al for him? Would anyone be interested?
 

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Sign him to a short term extension -- Not an option. He'll get big offers from other teams if he hits free agency.

Need numbers. If he takes a fair pay cut, as most of us think he should, then the question becomes pretty interesting.
 

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It's not that we want to necessarily get rid of him, but more so if we do not plan on keeping him, his value is highest right now. He's maxed out as a player and he's not going to get any better. He might be able to maintain this level of play for a couple more years, but it's downhill after that. The fact that Butler has come out and improved so much possibly makes Deng expendable and opens up the possibility of trading him to get some help elsewhere on the roster.

Butler is not a SF. Butler cannot replace Deng long term. Butler is 6'6" with a wingspan of 6'8" and an 8'5" standing reach. Loul Deng is 6'7" with a 7'+ wing span and a 9'+ standing reach. I know Butler played well at SF for a short period of time, but long term he is too small to play the 3. I just don't see Butler playing 82 games + the playoffs with the way the Bulls grind at SF. He would be done in about 2 or 3 seasons; if he lasts that long.

Butler has ideal size for the 2 so he should stay there.

I don't see any reason to do anything with Deng. Who can the Bulls match salaries with that makes sense? Eric Gordon? Plus the Bulls already have Butler who is a more natural 2. If the Bulls move Deng they need to place him and I just don't see the group of moves that makes sense for both teams that makes the Bulls better.

I also don't think there is anyway Deng gets a raise. Most teams will probably see a system fit guy who has logged too many minutes, is on the back end of his prime, and is not a go to scorer. He also plays arguably the deepest position in all of basketball. I think the Bulls will be able to bring him in easily at 3 or 4 years and ~8 million per. That would be a 6 million dollar pay cut. I think that will Put Deng at an acceptable price point.
 

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What about this?

Luol Deng + Taj Gibson + Charlotte's pick + Mirotic's rights + Nate (after being resigned) for Kevin Love.

Why would anyone want Kevin Love. Kevin Love is Boozer with a 3 point range. Love does not defend, block shots, take charges or protect the paint. Love puts up really good numbers on horrible teams, but if you actually watch any Timberwolves games (and he happens to be on the court) you would see a player that is vastly overhyped by the fantasy sports nature of our society.
 

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Butler is not a SF. Butler cannot replace Deng long term. Butler is 6'6" with a wingspan of 6'8" and an 8'5" standing reach. Loul Deng is 6'7" with a 7'+ wing span and a 9'+ standing reach. I know Butler played well at SF for a short period of time, but long term he is too small to play the 3. I just don't see Butler playing 82 games + the playoffs with the way the Bulls grind at SF. He would be done in about 2 or 3 seasons; if he lasts that long.

Butler has ideal size for the 2 so he should stay there.

I don't see any reason to do anything with Deng. Who can the Bulls match salaries with that makes sense? Eric Gordon? Plus the Bulls already have Butler who is a more natural 2. If the Bulls move Deng they need to place him and I just don't see the group of moves that makes sense for both teams that makes the Bulls better.

I also don't think there is anyway Deng gets a raise. Most teams will probably see a system fit guy who has logged too many minutes, is on the back end of his prime, and is not a go to scorer. He also plays arguably the deepest position in all of basketball. I think the Bulls will be able to bring him in easily at 3 or 4 years and ~8 million per. That would be a 6 million dollar pay cut. I think that will Put Deng at an acceptable price point.
I'm assuming you're grabbing those measurements from the draft combine or something? Deng has been listed at 6'9" his whole career I believe and Jimmy is listed at 6'7" or 6'8". That's not really relevant though. I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play the 3 just fine. He played the 3 every time Deng was out and a lot of times went all 48 minutes and did just fine. Your argument is that he won't last the ridiculous minute toll that Thibs like to use at SF, which may be true, or not, you can't really say. It's silly to think that he'll fail simply because he lacks a few inches in wingspan. Whatever he lacks in length compared to Deng, he makes up for by being more athletic. He's quicker laterally and is a better leaper. We all know that defensively he's right up there with Deng and this is just his 2nd year. Could he play SG full time for us, absolutely, but it's not like he's some 6'5" in shoes guy playing the SF and going up against guys who have both 50 pounds and 4 inches over him. I think you're blowing the measurements a little out of proportion. Deng's wingspan is probably considered huge and is part of what made him a lottery pick instead of a late 1st rounder like Jimmy.

Taken from draftexpress:

The MVP of the tournament, and likely the top prospect at the PIT, Marquette'sJimmy Butler, measured out a solid 6-6 ¼ without shoes and 215 pounds, giving him excellent size for a NBA small forward, albeit just an average wingspan (6-8) and standing reach (8-5).


 

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Why would anyone want Kevin Love. Kevin Love is Boozer with a 3 point range. Love does not defend, block shots, take charges or protect the paint. Love puts up really good numbers on horrible teams, but if you actually watch any Timberwolves games (and he happens to be on the court) you would see a player that is vastly overhyped by the fantasy sports nature of our society.

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Why would anyone want Kevin Love. Kevin Love is Boozer with a 3 point range. Love does not defend, block shots, take charges or protect the paint. Love puts up really good numbers on horrible teams, but if you actually watch any Timberwolves games (and he happens to be on the court) you would see a player that is vastly overhyped by the fantasy sports nature of our society.

You've got to be kidding me.... Yeah, a big man who's arguably the best rebounder in the NBA, a guy that can fill it up from 40% behind the arc and is one of the best passers alive REGARDLESS OF POSITION would be an absolute waste. He stinks.

:andruw:
 

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I'm assuming you're grabbing those measurements from the draft combine or something? Deng has been listed at 6'9" his whole career I believe and Jimmy is listed at 6'7" or 6'8". That's not really relevant though. I'm pretty sure Jimmy can play the 3 just fine. He played the 3 every time Deng was out and a lot of times went all 48 minutes and did just fine. Your argument is that he won't last the ridiculous minute toll that Thibs like to use at SF, which may be true, or not, you can't really say. It's silly to think that he'll fail simply because he lacks a few inches in wingspan. Whatever he lacks in length compared to Deng, he makes up for by being more athletic. He's quicker laterally and is a better leaper. We all know that defensively he's right up there with Deng and this is just his 2nd year. Could he play SG full time for us, absolutely, but it's not like he's some 6'5" in shoes guy playing the SF and going up against guys who have both 50 pounds and 4 inches over him. I think you're blowing the measurements a little out of proportion. Deng's wingspan is probably considered huge and is part of what made him a lottery pick instead of a late 1st rounder like Jimmy.

Taken from draftexpress:

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Just a couple things. Deng has not been listed at 6'9" his entire career. He grew an inch at the begging of last season according to the Bulls. Height measurement data in all sports is not regulated so what a team states a player is does not mean anything. Combine measurements are going to much more accurate when it comes to height/length. The weight will be off because many guys tend to bulk up when they get to the NBA.

We obviously disagree about Butler being able to stay healthy at 3. Since we are both speculating and giving our opinion I think it is best to agree to disagree.

Even if you think he can be healthy their why would you do. Bulter has a SGs body not a SFs. If he moves to the 3 he will be undersized almost every night. Moreover the SF position is arguably the deepest in in basketball and the SG is one of the weakest and without a doubt the weakest perimeter position.

At best what I butler going to be at the 3? Top 1-15? At the 2 he could easily crack top 7 maybe even get into the top 5. Additionally if you move Deng out and don't get a significant upgrade at the 2 where are you going to get someone at the 2?

It makes little sense to me to move a good player out (Deng) to play another guy out of position (Butler) in hopes that you can find a really good player at one of the hardest positions to fill. Why not just leave the players where they naturally fit and and allow Butler to possibly grow into a ++ SG instead of an slightly above average SF.
 

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You've got to be kidding me.... Yeah, a big man who's arguably the best rebounder in the NBA, a guy that can fill it up from 40% behind the arc and is one of the best passers alive REGARDLESS OF POSITION would be an absolute waste. He stinks.

:andruw:

Never stated he stinks. Like I said people who don't watch games and thing spreadsheets are where basketball is played love him.

Additionally he is arguably a lot of things. He has never led the NBA in rebound rate and has been top 5 twice and top 10 twice. That is very good nowhere in my post did I say he was a bad player.

Carlos Boozer has been a top 5 rebounded and has been consistently in the top 15 for a long time when it comes to rebound rate.

He can score. He is a shooter. Look at what Kevin Martin did on bad teams offensively. A lot of guys put up good numbers on bad teams. Love is a good player. He is not a great player though. He is not going to get his own shot or a shot for others. He can hit the 3, but so can a lot of guys. Shooting is streaky.

He is just not big enough long enough or athletic enough to defend and protect the paint. The Bulls play grinding defensive basketball. They are not the Kincks. They don't need Kevin Love.
 

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then who do we need? (realistically)
 

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then who do we need? (realistically)

Ben Gordon?



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A back-up Big who can defend and make the occasional post move, a 3pt specialist, a 2g that can create for himself and others. that's what we need.
 
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