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Rosh what part of FORCING people to buy electric cars don't you understand. If they are FORCING them to be a percentage of the total sold, then that means someone is being FORCED to buy them. They are more expensive, less reliable, and there aren't "charging stations" on every street corner. Chevy Volt was a HUGE success!
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Did everyone miss that the goal is that 1 in 7 of the cars sold 13 years from now would be electric? I don't see anyone forcing anything. Again technology has a tendency to improve. All I see is reactionary ZOMG GUBMINT TAKIN OVER! whinging.
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Yeah, this is where it starts. Where does it end though?
It's like the "temporary taxes".
Give them an inch and.....
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Lol 1.4 million electric cars in the state of California is a pebble. There is no forcing here. Talk about over reactions people. Get a grip and stop thinking minor changes mean forcing. You are taking very small things and symbolism it as burning of your flag and your pride. This one here is a non issue...move on to more important politics.
Besides Canada benefits from this...we love seling you guys our electricity. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Besides Canada benefits from this...we love seling you guys our electricity. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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YOU guys are out of touch. If 1 in 7 HAS to be electric, that means 1 person who buys a car out of 7 HAS to buy an electric car. What if NOBODY wants to buy an electric car? Let's pass a law in your countries that says 1 in 7 times you make a $20,000 purchase, you have to just flush your money down the toilet. How do you like those laws?
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This is not an overnight thing. It's a project that will take 13 years. Things change. Maybe gas will be so expensive by then that people will be lining up for electric cars. Overreaction of the highest order.
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If it is over reaction for something that happens in 13 years then why is that law necessary today?
And I am pretty much tired of debating with a socialist from a foreign country who does not have any problem with the government getting more and more involved in our daily lives which means less independence. At least it is a state law and you can move to another state whereas on a federal level you might as just move to some other country like say for example, Finland.
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I think part of the point of doing this isn't as much as eliminating all air pollutants (as nice as that would be) but relocating them, out of the big cities nestled in the valleys where people in California actually live. I could be wrong, I didn't read that in the article, but I thought that was one of their big city problems, smog trapped in the valleys.
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You think smog in large cities is due to passenger cars? or trucks and busses? How about factories? Emissions have been cleaned up from passenger vehicles for many years now. This push towards electric cars has ZERO to do with emissions. Electric cars are overpriced pieces of shit that don't get you where you want to go if you have to travel farther than 30 miles. Might as well burn your fucking money. Let's see, can't get where I want to go, paid twice what the vehicle is worth, depreciation at an unheard of rate and nowhere to charge the fucking thing. Yeah, let's all buy electric.
Wanna clean up emissions? Get rid of busses. Oh, can't do that, it would be racist right?
Fucking done with this topic.
Wanna clean up emissions? Get rid of busses. Oh, can't do that, it would be racist right?
Fucking done with this topic.
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IHF, I am really curious how you imagine Finland to be, or any social democracy for that matter (I'll let you in on a secret, social democracies are capitalist countries). It seems to me you imagine it being some sort of oppressive regime where all citizens are brainwashed slaves to the state with no chance of freedom.
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Lol its California. 1.5 electric cars won't be hard. Those who want them will buy them those who don't won't. This isn't a tough quota to meet in California. In the Midwest or south yah it probably wouldnt work. Let California be California..its not going to change just because you all want it to. California is exactly like British Columbia. 1 in 7 electric cars would be no problems here and that would create more jobs without taking any away. Its a win win for California and won't cause any hardships. Finding people in California to buy electric cars is as easy as finding a Chinese man who likes rice.
You guys really are over reacting and spinning it into some socialist agenda that's going to threaten your federal policies. Not going to happen. British Columbia has had these sort of same legislation for eons now and there has been very little if any negative impact. And it hasn't effected the conservative federal agenda one bit. The evils of our conservative government is still strong.....yours will be too.
You guys really are over reacting and spinning it into some socialist agenda that's going to threaten your federal policies. Not going to happen. British Columbia has had these sort of same legislation for eons now and there has been very little if any negative impact. And it hasn't effected the conservative federal agenda one bit. The evils of our conservative government is still strong.....yours will be too.
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Do they make one (electric car) that doesn't catch on fire and burn down your house yet?
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lol. Its the same way people think about Canada. Don't worry bout what the socialist fear mongerers think about your country. We aren't the ones with debts we can't get out of and divisions throughout the entire country.
People still think Canada is a socialist country even though we have a conservative government that would make Regan blush. But we are doing pretty good in the big picture of global well being.
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Our buses here are half electric. Hasn't caused one issue and it actually does cut down emissions and smog...which is actually 80 percent caused by vehicle emissions in the city. The studies are pretty clear. Industry polution only effects cities where industry exists. Its always going to exist that doesn't mean you don't have to try to cut emissions down in other areas to find some sort of balance.
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Those electric busses scared the shit out of me.
Silent, and next thing you know there's a giant bus pulling up a foot away from me walking down the sidewalk.
Granted, I was pretty drunk much of my time in VAN.
Silent, and next thing you know there's a giant bus pulling up a foot away from me walking down the sidewalk.
Granted, I was pretty drunk much of my time in VAN.
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Let private industry make it affordable and something people "want" to buy.
Don't force people to buy it. See: Steve Jobs
Don't force people to buy it. See: Steve Jobs
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Steve jobs never produced a product i could honestly afford. Did a great job and producing and advertising products that we all think we need and want though, then attaching high price tags on them. Jobs was a great businessman but he has no right to say what he did in that quote. He never walked that walk. He was a master of marketing.
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I agree with the filthy socialists here. I don't think it is that bad.
However....
To make consumers buy a product they may not want flys in the face of what the United States stands for, which is why there is the reaction there is.
I agree Rosh, The infrastructure and tech will more then likely improve in the next 13 years. Hopefully by leaps and bounds. So why make people/businesses buy inferior, inefficient, possibly dangerous and hazardous products now? Let the free market flush out the problems and improve on the technology that exists. That is what Capitolism is all about.
Let those that can afford electric cars buy them now. They will be better spokespeople, as they believe in the product more then someone who is not sold on the technology yet. Let them deal with the growing pains.
However....
To make consumers buy a product they may not want flys in the face of what the United States stands for, which is why there is the reaction there is.
I agree Rosh, The infrastructure and tech will more then likely improve in the next 13 years. Hopefully by leaps and bounds. So why make people/businesses buy inferior, inefficient, possibly dangerous and hazardous products now? Let the free market flush out the problems and improve on the technology that exists. That is what Capitolism is all about.
Let those that can afford electric cars buy them now. They will be better spokespeople, as they believe in the product more then someone who is not sold on the technology yet. Let them deal with the growing pains.
