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Fuck electric cars, I still want a V8 that sucks gas like its going out of style and pushes 500 hp. It is the American way. I mean who doesn't want a bitchin' Camaro.



Also fuck electric cars, where the fuck are my flying cars we were supposed to have. Fuck Obama too, his fucking mileage standards. the Chevy Cruze is 1.4 liters. I have looked at that motor, I've seen bigger motors on leafblowers.



This is the only valid argument against electric cars in this thread. Seriously, The Jetsons fucked us over.



Otherwise, SOCIALISM RULES!!!!!!



Also, I'm fine with whatever your chosen spelling is, as long as your spelling is correct. What are we? Animals?
 

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I think many of you are forgetting how america buys things. Unless Cali actually puts in some kind of lottery mandate that one out of every seven people *must* buy an electric car (like that will happen), I seriously doubt much will change for the worse:



2 things will happen: either (a) based on a lack of demand because of the fact that Electric cars do not have the longevity to last some 300+ miles and after it drains the batteries it takes up to 8 hours to recharge, it will spur the car companies into developing better barriers and/or quick charging methods so that a company can one-up the competition to get a foothold in a state that has a lot of population, a green mindset, and money to be spent on the illusion that they are green.



Or, (
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, by the time the bill has been passed, there hasn't been improvements, and people still won't buy and are willing to pay all taxes and surcharges. Think the SUV boom. Many people who bought into vehicles that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the owner has an inferiority complex in spite of the fact they were brought up in an era where environmentalism was shoved down their throat. They *still* opted for creature comforts, and nixed the Geo Metro for the Ford Excursion because it was roomier and made them feel safer on their trips to and from the grocery store.



I seriously doubt if electric cars aren't nearly as useful or robust when it comes to charging time and battery longevity that people will buy them no matter what the mandates are.
 

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This is the only valid argument against electric cars in this thread. Seriously, The Jetsons fucked us over.



Otherwise, SOCIALISM RULES!!!!!!



Also, I'm fine with whatever your chosen spelling is, as long as your spelling is correct. What are we? Animals?



Vancouver Canucks are animals....cockroaches are animals right?
 

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Vancouver Canucks are animals....cockroaches are animals right?



Therefore, what you're saying is that everyone who misspells words on IHN are animals/cockroaches/Vancouver Canucks.



As Astro would say, "ruh roh!"
 

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Therefore, what you're saying is that everyone who misspells words on IHN are animals/cockroaches/Vancouver Canucks.



As Astro would say, "ruh roh!"



No not at all. Just never miss a chance to slam the Vancouver Canucks. Also even as an American I spell saber, sabre. I dunno why I just like it better. Maybe the re gives it a little panache and sabres are a panache type weapon.
 

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No not at all. Just never miss a chance to slam the Vancouver Canucks. Also even as an American I spell saber, sabre. I dunno why I just like it better. Maybe the re gives it a little panache and sabres are a panache type weapon.



Fair on all points. I support you. And Sabres have panache. It's true. You can slice and stab with panache.
 

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All estimates on cost saving are based on current market values from what I can find. If there is a huge surge of electric cars, the demand for electricity will rise and so will the cost, and so will the production and so will the polution from the production... but I digress, all of this is also coming from a state that has had it's fair share of Electricity problems ::cough cough enron cough cough::
 

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If it was 50 cents a mile, the Government wouldn't have to force people to buy them or "market" them. They would be flying off the lots.

No one is against the idea of electric cars, the technology just isn't there yet and people should have a choice.



http://www.scientifi...cost-per-charge



well this article is quoting a study stating some electric cars could operate at the equivilence of 75 cents per gallon.



People are getting the choice. Again 1.5 million Californians probably will chose to buy them anyways as more legit information becomes available to the consumer and as the technology improves (which it will). You guys aren't thinking logistics here you are running on gutt reactions. Again there are over 26 million passanger vehicles in the state of California. 1.5 mandated electric cars will not be a difficult quota to fill as the demand for electric cars from the populace of California is already there (waiting for the technology to become better isn't something new for any technological advancements..the first fuel powered vehicles weren't exactly hot shit either. Technology can't improve if you don't give it the chance to.). Also these electric cars do not have to come all from the consumer either as I stated before (there is nothing in this legislation that suggests that it all has to be consumer based). Vehicles used for manicipal government use, buses, manicipal events (Vancouver mandated hybrids and electric vehicles for the Olypmics because it was cheaper and these vehicles are still used for manicipal purposes), etc etc are all helpfull and realistic ways of hitting the quota.



Thinking outside of the box is one way that these sort of technology changes can and should happen. The States is full of creative and wise people, look at all the advancements you guys have made in science and technology (and yes many of those advancements have come from mandates, legislation, taxing etc etc). Let them explore the options and let them explore the possibilities with these electric vehicles and work the kinks out along the way (that's the only way advancements can be made and the kinks to be worked out). Otherwise you guys are going to be left behind on a great investment and economical opportunity. Job creation, increased infrustructure, etc etc. There are positives to these sort of changes if you take a little gamble.



Fuel based vehicles are not going to be going away in georaphical areas where they are needed and in job markets where they are needed. 1.5 million electric cars on the road in the state of California is a reasonable and realistic number that can be accomplished without the idea or fear of "forced to purchase" coming into play.



I still say way to go California!! I think this is an intelligent and progressive step in todays times.



And again....it just allows us to sell you more power. I'm thinking Canadian economics here more so than environmental (even thought he 2 go hand in hand in this province, as much does in the state of Califonia also). Go figure a "socialist" can think economics?
 

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How dare California gain economical gain from such silly ideas as the electric cars and all the patents that come with it. I think this also brings to light a few more reasons why the 1.5 million electric car mandate is in place. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. California is rich biiiiitch!!!
 

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Woo hoo for the fruits and nuts in Cali.



Still doesn't make up for the fact that electric cars are really only for short distance usage....useless for anything else.
 

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Woo hoo for the fruits and nuts in Cali.



Still doesn't make up for the fact that electric cars are really only for short distance usage....useless for anything else.



And I think that is where the market aim is anyways. I don't think the electric car will or ever could be marketed to anyone other than the shorter distance driver or commuter. Even though some look pretty flashy and trying to get into that muscle car look (obviously the performance isn't ever going to be the same though..it's just esthetics).



That's where the other skewed and mixed stats come into play. Some research say that 60% of vehicle owners only drive 40 miles a day tops. Some research says it's 40% at 60 miles per day. I am sure the actuall number is more towards the higher percentage at the lower miles (just makes more sense). Besides travell distance is one area where the electric car manufacturers and technicians are actually starting to gain a little more ground on anyways. It's not going to be something that is mastered overnight. For now though there is nothing wrong with marketing to those who drive small miles a day. The majority of passanger vehicle owners do this anyways according to most statistics. These are passanger vehicles...not industrial vehicles. No one is looking or should be looking at them as anything other than that.



Let's be realistic here. The electric vehicle is never going to replace the vehicles people use for long transport and for industrial uses and the such (I think all sides know this). It's never going to make the classic muscle car absolete nor extinct the thrill of those vehicles either. That's a very small market niche in the grand scheme of it all anyways. If anything the electric car will make that muscle car collector niche even more prestigous and interesting and fun. The majority of vehicle owners purchase for commuting from A-B in relative short distances, with ease and with saftey. There is no problem finding 1.5 million Californians who will want purchase an electric vehicle for this purpose alone.



I know there are many things that Americans hold very dear to their hearts and see as part of their heritage and history. I am well aware vehicle manufacturing and design is one of those. I understand the hesitance from a cultural point also. I just think it actually could be an interesting and exciting part of vehicle history itself. not something that should be shyed away from because it represents "competition" with the fuel ran vehicle but something that could actually work beside it.
 

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How dare California gain economical gain from such silly ideas as the electric cars and all the patents that come with it. I think this also brings to light a few more reasons why the 1.5 million electric car mandate is in place. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. California is rich biiiiitch!!!



How much of that venture capital is from stimulus money?
 

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How much of that venture capital is from stimulus money?



Probably a shit load. How much money have fuel operated vehicle manufacturers and technicians get through stimulus packages and research grants, venture capital etc through the years? Probably a shit load also.
 

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Probably a shit load. How much money have fuel operated vehicle manufacturers and technicians get through stimulus packages and research grants, venture capital etc through the years? Probably a shit load also.



Was the nation $15 trillion in debt then?
 

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