How Many Wins For The Cubs In 2014?

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162-0

nwfisch said:

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68.


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I'd like to say it's too early for a thread like this but it's pretty much predictable. I feel like they will hit the century mark in losses this season so 62 wins.

70-92

Not sure about wins, but I think we will miss getting 100 losses. Maybe we'll get 100+ wins...

71 wins

On pace for over a 100 losses. Javier Baez comes up and kills it and allows for a 94 loss season.

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I think somewhere between 70-73 wins.

70 at best

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70 at best

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69.

Actually 70 if they would decide to put Chris Volstad back into the rotation for the whole year.

58. I don't see the hitter or pitcher that prevents a 100+ loss season. But that should be enough for a WC

Tough to call since the cut off mark between than second and third vote is right where I would peg it.

I think 72 would be my average but 5 wins is typical give or take on most teams from their expected win total. I will vote the optimistic range.

50-55 wins.

The team won 66 games last year and lost most of their best pitching.

There have not been any improvements made to the major league roster so not sure how again can think the team will be an improvement over that.

patg006 said:

50-55 wins.

The team won 66 games last year and lost most of their best pitching.

There have not been any improvements made to the major league roster so not sure how again can think the team will be an improvement over that.

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lmao.. pretty much like what was said last ST except they went from 61 wins to 66 wins lol

they lost their best starters ? Garza won 6 games and Feldman 7..
their replacements this year Arrieta won 4 in his 9 starts with them last year, and Jason Hammel won 7 in that so called tough AL east so im sure he canwin at least 7 again in the so called weaker NL


im going with 70 wins.... I think Rizzo and castro will have much better years and Castillo will surprise with the bat....

my sleeper is OLT, I think he has a decent year with them...

chibears55 said:

lmao.. pretty much like what was said last ST except they went from 61 wins to 66 wins lol

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Wrong. Many people were expecting a .500 team last year.

they lost their best starters ? Garza won 6 games and Feldman 7..

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They won those 13 games in just 26 starts. That's a 50% winning percentage on a team that won 41% of it's games and only 4 less wins than Shark and Wood combined for in 65 starts.

their replacements this year Arrieta won 4 in his 9 starts with them last year, and Jason Hammel won 7 in that so called tough AL east so im sure he canwin at least 7 again in the so called weaker NL

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And both those pitchers already have sore arms.

im going with 70 wins.... I think Rizzo and castro will have much better years and Castillo will surprise with the bat....

my sleeper is OLT, I think he has a decent year with them...

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Olt LOL!!

Yeah, no fanboys here.

Wrong. Many people were expecting a .500 team last year.

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doubt it..

They won those 13 games in just 26 starts. That's a 50% winning percentage on a team that won 41% of it's games and only 4 less wins than Shark and Wood combined for in 65 starts.

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don't matter how many starts were made by them or percentage of wins, bottom line is they just won 13 of their 66 games won..
Arrieta and Hammel im sure will be able to combine for that many.. if your gonna go by those percentages, Arrieta won 4 of his 9 starts with them last year and without Soriano hitting clean up, so should we assume he gonna win 12 of his 27 starts this year ?

And both those pitchers already have sore arms.

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and again were talking about 13 wins Garza and Feldman provided, im sure whomever takes those 2 spots all year will come up with a combined 13 wins..

Olt LOL!!

Yeah, no fanboys here.

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that's why he called a sleeper.. seriously do you even watch sports ? the more I read your comments the more I wonder why your even on a sports message board let alone on a cubs one...

I see your proclaim to be a fan of the NW wildcats and trailblazers please explain how you can be a fan of those losing traditions and tear apart the cubs..

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don't matter how many starts were made by them or percentage of wins, bottom line is they just won 13 of their 66 games won..

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Actually it matters a lot how many starts were made by them and the percentage of starts ended up being wins for the Cubs.

A whole lot.

Arrieta and Hammel im sure will be able to combine for that many.. if your gonna go by those percentages, Arrieta won 4 of his 9 starts with them last year and without Soriano hitting clean up, so should we assume he gonna win 12 of his 27 starts this year ?

and again were talking about 13 wins Garza and Feldman provided, im sure whomever takes those 2 spots all year will come up with a combined 13 wins..

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I am sure 2 pitchers who pitch the entire year for the Cubs should win more than 13 games.

Only it will probably take 2.5 times as many starts to reach that same total.

14 out of 65 is not an improvement over 13 out of 26.

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that's why he called a sleeper.. seriously do you even watch sports ? the more I read your comments the more I wonder why your even on a sports message board let alone on a cubs one...
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Just because YOU proclaim him a sleeper doesn't automatically make him a sleeper.

The guy is a CAREER .258 hitter in the minors, yet you want to argue there is a realistic chance of him turning into a productive major league player, cause that is really what sleepers are. Players who are thought of to have a realistic chance of being a productive major league player.

Thomas Neal - 4 PAs .000/.000/.000
Brent Lillibridge - 24 PAs .042/.042/.042
Steve Clevenger - 9 PAs .125/.222/.125
Scott Hairston - 112 PAs .172/.232/.434
Darwin Barney - 555 PAs .208/.266/.303
Logan Watkins - 42 PAs .211/.268/.237
Alberto Gonzalez - 26 PAs .217/.269/.391
Dave Sappelt - 78 PAs .240/.269/.280
Starlin Castro - 705 PAs .245/.284/.347
Julio Borbon - 117 PAs .202/.284/.279
Alfonso Soriano - 383 PAs .254/.287/.467

Those 11 players accounted for 2055 PAs of the cubs 6079 total(34%) and you're talking about all of them having a sub .290 OBP. Is it really any wonder the cubs didn't score runs last year? Of those only Barney, Watkins, and Castro are back. Even if Bonifacio is as bad as he was last year(arguably his worst) his .243/.295/.331 would be a 35 point improvement in BA and 29 point OBP improvement over Barney last year. If you go with his career averages of .262/.322/.340 it's even better. Castro's 2012 was .283/.323/.430. With those two players alone you're talking 1260 PAs and +30 times on base for Bonifacio if he hits his career line and +29 times for Castro for his 2012. Castro scored roughly 30% of the time he was on base so you're talking roughly 18 more runs based on those 2 alone which would take the cubs from 28th(14th in the NL) in the majors in runs to 23rd in runs(11th in the NL). Also, the OF sort of killed the cubs last year. They had roughly a half season of play out of Borbon/Sappelt/Hairston and got very little out of their 4th/5th OF. If they get around a .320 OBP out of that similar sized PAs you're talking another +16 times on base or 5ish runs. I'll ignore Soriano as people seem to have a tough time understanding how much his .287 OBP hurt.

So even with minimal changes you could be looking at +23 runs just by Castro returning to 2012 form and better play out of 2B and the bench. Frankly, I struggle to see how the cubs offense will be worse. Even the 2003 tigers as a team hit .240/.300/.375. The 2013 cubs hit .238/.300/.392 albeit without the DH. The 2013 cubs offense without pitchers essentially had 3 players who were AAA or worse players given that 34% of their PAs were below .290 OBP. Sweeney and Lake wont hit for much power but at least they will be on base. I hope to god they don't trot Barney out there at 2B again because even his best year was .276/.313/.353 which is still below average for a MLB player.