I would not let Taj or Butler prevent me from pulling trigger on Melo!

cjswan232482 · Mar 9, 2014

Just don't bend over and give EVERYTHING to acquire him, Melo must be willing to sacrifice too. I would structure a backloaded deal with a player option. I would dislike giving up Taj, but I know I can replace him if I had to. Same with Butler. If I give up Butler OR Gibson, I WANT TO KEEP ONE OF THOSE PICKS TO REPLACE HIM.

If you are going in, be TOTALLY in. Otherwise, just resign Deng.

RC_Skinny22 · Mar 9, 2014

Fuck Melo!

Next topic ... :shrug:

cjswan232482 · Mar 9, 2014

RC_Skinny22 said:
Fuck Melo!

Next topic ... :shrug:

Don't cry if Bulls stand pat then.

RC_Skinny22 · Mar 9, 2014

cjswan232482 said:
Don't cry if Bulls stand pat then.

You won´t see me crying as long as the Bulls keep Rose, Hinrich, Augustin, Butler, Snell, Gibson & Noah!

cjswan232482 · Mar 9, 2014

No one is untouchable. Just don't get fleeced.

Bear Pride · Mar 9, 2014

Crazy ... the Bulls won't dump Butler and Taj to get Melo. The Bulls will sign Mirotic, two 1st round picks, and a cheaper SF in FA'cy before they do that, imo!

ChettheJet · Mar 9, 2014

Familiarity shouldn't hold up getting an All-Star ultra scorer. What stat happy fans ignore is the toughness that Gibson brings and even more so Butler. You can find guys to replace the stats Gibson puts up but there are few if any who bring the determination game in and game out that he does. You know in NASCAR they used to call Dale Earnhardt sr., The Intimidator' because he would wreck you to beat you and wasn't afraid to say so.

Well you can see in Lebron James a guy who intimidates most opponents but the Bulls have Jimmy Butler who stands up to him, way better than Loul did. And Gibson is the same way. Did you hear that stat at the end, first time in 4 1/2 years James did not shoot a free throw in a game, an OT game to boot.

For all that Anthony can do what he isn't is tough, not the way Noah, Gibson and Butler, even Hinrich are. And pay attention to your coach, Thibs counts on that toughness. So yes you want him because he can score but you don't want to cut the heart out of your team or you're not gaining as much as you need to get over the top.

Gustavus Adolphus · Mar 9, 2014

RC_Skinny22 said:
You won´t see me crying as long as the Bulls keep Rose, Hinrich, Augustin, Butler, Snell, Gibson & Noah!

That's a very crowded backcourt once Rose comes back. Either Hinrich or Augustine ain't coming back.

EDIT: Next year I mean, for those of us holding out hope that Rose plays in the playoffs.

houheffna · Mar 9, 2014

PretentousBastard said:
That's a very crowded backcourt once Rose comes back. Either Hinrich or Augustine ain't coming back.

EDIT: Next year I mean, for those of us holding out hope that Rose plays in the playoffs.

If I were a betting man, I would bet that he will. But that's another thread.

Gustavus Adolphus · Mar 9, 2014

houheffna said:
If I were a betting man, I would bet that he will. But that's another thread.

I think you're right about that.

nwfisch · Mar 9, 2014

If by play in the playoffs you mean

I'll take you guys up on that.

Gustavus Adolphus · Mar 9, 2014

Meh, it's probably wishful thinking.

cjswan232482 · Mar 9, 2014

ChettheJet said:
Familiarity shouldn't hold up getting an All-Star ultra scorer. What stat happy fans ignore is the toughness that Gibson brings and even more so Butler. You can find guys to replace the stats Gibson puts up but there are few if any who bring the determination game in and game out that he does. You know in NASCAR they used to call Dale Earnhardt sr., The Intimidator' because he would wreck you to beat you and wasn't afraid to say so.

Well you can see in Lebron James a guy who intimidates most opponents but the Bulls have Jimmy Butler who stands up to him, way better than Loul did. And Gibson is the same way. Did you hear that stat at the end, first time in 4 1/2 years James did not shoot a free throw in a game, an OT game to boot.

For all that Anthony can do what he isn't is tough, not the way Noah, Gibson and Butler, even Hinrich are. And pay attention to your coach, Thibs counts on that toughness. So yes you want him because he can score but you don't want to cut the heart out of your team or you're not gaining as much as you need to get over the top.

You just described the difference between a role player and a star. I can replace Taj Gibson with a Birdman at 1/4 the cost on the Bulls and not miss a beat. I can draft a better 2 guard than Jimmy Butler in this draft. Anthony relishes busting LeBron's ass on the offensive end. Bottom line, when the playoffs begin and EVERYBODY is playing hard, talent wins out and the Bulls need a closer.

houheffna · Mar 9, 2014

cjswan232482 said:
You just described the difference between a role player and a star. I can replace Taj Gibson with a Birdman at 1/4 the cost on the Bulls and not miss a beat. I can draft a better 2 guard than Jimmy Butler in this draft. Anthony relishes busting LeBron's ass on the offensive end. Bottom line, when the playoffs begin and EVERYBODY is playing hard, talent wins out and the Bulls need a closer.

While I like the idea of acquiring Melo...you will miss a few beats if you replace Gibson with Birdman.

Axl Rose · Mar 10, 2014

we dont have to give up Butler for Melo unless it was a sign and trade and even then we could prob still manage to keep him

we would have to dump Taj+Dunleavy (along with booz amnesty) to free enough cap for a max contract

i like Taj but we're taking about Carmelo

houheffna · Mar 10, 2014

Poohdini said:
we dont have to give up Butler for Melo unless it was a sign and trade and even then we could prob still manage to keep him

we would have to dump Taj+Dunleavy (along with booz amnesty) to free enough cap for a max contract

i like Taj but we're taking about Carmelo

I don't think they will get him honestly. He would have to walk away from too much money, and the Big Chief might be going back to the Big Apple...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24471880/how-much-less-is-melo-willing-to-take-to-leave-new-york

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/report-knicks-may-be-landing-phil-jackson-030814
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Cerebral · Mar 10, 2014

If Melo wants the max contract Gibson is as good as gone. The problem after that is we'll be able to keep Butler for cheap for another year or two but then he's going to want a big contract and as up and coming elite wing defender he can demand around 8 million a year. Now, because the Bulls have his bird rights they can go over the cap to resign him. But, Reinsdorf has said in the past he doesn't mind going over the luxary tax as long as it brings a championship.

The Hawk · Mar 10, 2014

cjswan232482 said:
You just described the difference between a role player and a star. I can replace Taj Gibson with a Birdman at 1/4 the cost on the Bulls and not miss a beat. I can draft a better 2 guard than Jimmy Butler in this draft. Anthony relishes busting LeBron's ass on the offensive end. Bottom line, when the playoffs begin and EVERYBODY is playing hard, talent wins out and the Bulls need a closer.

You cannot mention Gibson and Birdman as akin to the other. Gibson is a whole bunch better than the freak, especially in the offensive end as with rebounding the ball. You mention Butler as being easy to replace but you are completely wrong there also. From the get go both Butler and Gibson could rebound and play defense. It was on offense that they had to improve on as in three seasons worth. There is not a college player right now that would be as good right now as either of them on defense and rebounding at their respective positions.

Diddy1122 · Mar 10, 2014

houheffna said:
I don't think they will get him honestly. He would have to walk away from too much money, and the Big Chief might be going back to the Big Apple...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24471880/how-much-less-is-melo-willing-to-take-to-leave-new-york

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/report-knicks-may-be-landing-phil-jackson-030814
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While I'm hopeful that he will join the Bulls, and even though he's publically stated he'd take a pay cut to win a ring, 99.9% of the time, players go for the bigger paycheck. However, even if Phil joins the organization, and it's still an IF, I don't see how he can clean up that mess in just a manner of a few years. That team is capped beyond belief for the next 3 years, with almost no draft picks (no 1st rounders til I think 2016?), a roster full of knuckleheads who don't fit together skill-wise, and an owner who meddles in everything that his FO does. Personally, if I was Phil Jackson, I would stay far the hell away from the Knicks. And if I was Melo, I'd be gone the second I opt out.

houheffna · Mar 10, 2014

Diddy1122 said:
While I'm hopeful that he will join the Bulls, and even though he's publically stated he'd take a pay cut to win a ring, 99.9% of the time, players go for the bigger paycheck. However, even if Phil joins the organization, and it's still an IF, I don't see how he can clean up that mess in just a manner of a few years. That team is capped beyond belief for the next 3 years, with almost no draft picks (no 1st rounders til I think 2016?), a roster full of knuckleheads who don't fit together skill-wise, and an owner who meddles in everything that his FO does. Personally, if I was Phil Jackson, I would stay far the hell away from the Knicks. And if I was Melo, I'd be gone the second I opt out.

I agree man, but he has to decide whether he wants to be in the conversation when it comes to this era's greats...or just a footnote. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to the Knicks either.

I would not let Taj or Butler prevent me from pulling trigger on Melo!

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