- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
Again, that tells you nothing about what defensive scheme Emery wants to run. It's especially ridiculous considering that the Seahawks and 49ers run completely different defenses.
Please explain how this hybrid defense that we'll be running works
- Thread starter Warden of the Northeast
- Start date
Again, that tells you nothing about what defensive scheme Emery wants to run. It's especially ridiculous considering that the Seahawks and 49ers run completely different defenses.
EDUB316
New member
- Joined:
- Aug 22, 2012
- Posts:
- 2,860
- Liked Posts:
- 2,019
idk if they will run a "hybrid," but they will definitely show different looks and possibly have edge rushers standing up on some 3rd downs.
Monsieur Tirets
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Nov 8, 2012
- Posts:
- 8,682
- Liked Posts:
- 4,314
As mentioned, it doesn't look like the Bears are going to run a hybrid D at all, but at most will simply give multiple looks out of their 1-gap scheme.
Bear Pride
Bears Gonna Shock the World!
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2012
- Posts:
- 10,616
- Liked Posts:
- 3,075
Well, my main point is we DON'T KNOW exactly what we will run at this point. Emery came out and said the Bears will remain a base 4-3 team, but he sure said that he wanted to be flexible, and he said he wanted the scheme to be the best for the players they had on the roster.
The FA signing are all fairly 'flexible' players on the DL. I'm not saying what scheme they will run, but it could be anything at this point. And it's clear that Emery wants to move guys around on the DL to create confusion to me. It'll be interesting to me to see if this leads to different schemes as well.
This is a dumb thing to debate, I'm out, but check out this article on the matter, and specifically Emery's quote. It sure sounds fairly open to different schemes to me, if it suits our players best that is.
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
That's the problem. You're confusing "flexibility" with running a hybrid front. Running a hybrid doesn't mean running a 3-4 sometimes and a 4-3 the rest of the time. It also doesn't mean that you run a 4-3 and every once in a while show a 3-4 look.
A hybrid defense is something completely different. If you'd like to know what it actually is, read my first post in this thread.
What you're talking about is running multiple fronts. Again, that's different than running a hybrid defense.
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
If anyone wants some speculation based on things that have actually changed this offseason, I think we'll see the LDE play more 5-tech on rushing downs.
Going back to the 4-3 Under diagram I used earlier, if the LDE is able to two-gap the right tackle, it removes the middle linebacker from having any gap responsibility. With Houston at LDE and Bostic at MLB, this would make perfect sense. Houston plays the 5-tech really well and Bostic is better when he's relying on instinct and not taking on linemen.
The thing that keeps this from being a true hybrid defense is the lack of a two-gapping nose tackle. They could draft one, but there would be no one playing behind that person (unless it's another rookie).
I think the place where we'll see the multiple fronts on this defense is in nickel situations. I think we'll see plenty of 3-3-5 with McClellin playing the "spinner" role and 4-2-5 with McClellin putting his hand in the dirt (and Houston moving to tackle). That's the kind of flexibility Emery was talking about.
Going back to the 4-3 Under diagram I used earlier, if the LDE is able to two-gap the right tackle, it removes the middle linebacker from having any gap responsibility. With Houston at LDE and Bostic at MLB, this would make perfect sense. Houston plays the 5-tech really well and Bostic is better when he's relying on instinct and not taking on linemen.
The thing that keeps this from being a true hybrid defense is the lack of a two-gapping nose tackle. They could draft one, but there would be no one playing behind that person (unless it's another rookie).
I think the place where we'll see the multiple fronts on this defense is in nickel situations. I think we'll see plenty of 3-3-5 with McClellin playing the "spinner" role and 4-2-5 with McClellin putting his hand in the dirt (and Houston moving to tackle). That's the kind of flexibility Emery was talking about.
Bear Pride
Bears Gonna Shock the World!
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2012
- Posts:
- 10,616
- Liked Posts:
- 3,075
I understand it real well. You don't have to be a read option offense to run some of those sets as well. If we run a few wildcat plays, are we a wildcat team? That's the thing about flexibility, no? If the defense is not flexible it would do the same thing all the time like Lovie's Tampa two.
Again, I seem to be the only one saying we don't know what the Bears will run, but I think it would be pretty cool if the Bears could march out a 3-4 alignment as an adjustment mid game to confuse the heck out of a team. Confusion is the name of the game, right?
The bottom line is how can anyone say what it will be until we get all the players in camp? Hence my first and MAIN point.
Bear Pride
Bears Gonna Shock the World!
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2012
- Posts:
- 10,616
- Liked Posts:
- 3,075
Now I'm confused. When I look at your hybrid diagram, I agree that Houston makes a good two gap DE and taking away gap control could really help Bostic. What I don't understand is why when the Bears do it, it's not a hybrid? :thinking:
Monsieur Tirets
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Nov 8, 2012
- Posts:
- 8,682
- Liked Posts:
- 4,314
We do know what they will be running, a 1-gap scheme, likely with multiple looks. And again, that is not a hybrid D.
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
You're showing that you don't know what you're talking about. Running a hybrid defense doesn't mean that you "march out a 3-4 alignment as an adjustment mid game to confuse the heck out of a team."
You have no clue what a hybrid defense is. Showing different fronts does not make you a "hybrid defense." Please, go back and read my first post in this thread. If you still don't understand it, stop commenting.
And the first sentence in my first post begins with "I don't know whether the Bears will be running it," so you're not the only person saying that. You weren't even the first.
- Joined:
- Jun 19, 2011
- Posts:
- 32,872
- Liked Posts:
- 26,846
Not sure where that says they will run a hybrid.
Bear Pride
Bears Gonna Shock the World!
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2012
- Posts:
- 10,616
- Liked Posts:
- 3,075
I do get it. First, where did I ever say we were going to run a hybrid defense? Secondly, you can impress each other all you want with your knowledge. I'm sticking to my original point, I'll wait and see exactly what the Bears do. I won't make a prediction either way. And THAT was my point!
See ya! :flipa:
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
You use this sentence a lot, don't you?
- Joined:
- Aug 20, 2012
- Posts:
- 16,036
- Liked Posts:
- 14,785
He will play defensive tackle, retire, then die.
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
They still need a backup. They could take someone like Justin Ellis later, but then they're relying on two rookies. It could still happen, though.
I really thought they would sign someone in the second wave of free agency to play that role, but I don't know how much money is left after Allen.
The other problem with taking Nix in the first is that he would most likely be a two-down player in this scenario. At this point, the linemen in the nickel look like Young, Houston, Allen and McClellin.
I like Nix and I really like the hybrid front, but I don't know how much sense either one makes at this point.
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2011
- Posts:
- 7,830
- Liked Posts:
- 9,011
This is the best answer I've seen on here in a while.
Monsieur Tirets
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Nov 8, 2012
- Posts:
- 8,682
- Liked Posts:
- 4,314
I'm not so sure.
AussieBear
Guest
I don't know whether the Beears will be running it, but since you asked...
Here's the 4-3 Under front that our front-seven has been using for the past ten years or so:
It's the same front that most 4-3 teams run as their base. The linemen all line up in a gap, and everyone in the front seven is responsible for one gap. The job of the linemen is to penetrate the gap first and then diagnose the play.
Here's a two-gap (or Bullough-Fairbanks) 3-4:
The three linemen are lined up directly in front of an offensive lineman, and they're each responsible for the gaps on either side of those lineman. The three linemen are able to cover 6 gaps, leaving the linebackers the freedom to roam and make plays.
Now, here's a hybrid front:
The right end and 3-tech tackle are lined up exactly like they are in the 4-3 Under above. The difference is that the left side of the line is playing like a two-gap 3-4. The nose tackle is shifted in front of the center and the left end is shifted in front of the right tackle.
Because the weak side "a" gap is now being controlled by the nose tackle, the Will linebacker is able to chase down plays without worrying about a gap. The same thing goes for the middle linebacker. He's no longer responsible for the strong side "b" gap.
This is the same hybrid front that the Seahawks, Ravens and Patriots use. It's essentially a 4-3 front with two lineman two-gapping.
some good footballl knowledge right thurrr
Staff online NOW
-
bamainatlantaYou wake him up, you keep him up
