OT: Was the 2003 draft class really better than the draft class of 2007?

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2003 had James, Wade, and Anthony. 2007 had Durant. But beyond that, it seems like 2007 might have been the deeper draft?
 

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you forgot Bosh....thats 4 star players with 2 forsure HOFers in Bron/Wade

2003 also had Hinrich, Kaman, David West among others who all produced and had good careers
 

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2003 Top 10 picks:
#1 LeBron James - Best player in NBA, HOF
#2 Darko Milicic - Bust
#3 Carmelo Anthony - Multiple All-Star, Scoring Leader
#4 Chris Bosh - Multiple All-Star
#5 Dwyane Wade - Multiple Al-Star likely HOF
#6 Chris Kaman - One time All-Star, Solid player
#7 Kirk Hinrich - Starter for 6 years, solid bench player now
#8 TJ Ford - Good while healthy, career ended early due to injuries
#9 Mike Sweetney - Bust
#10 Jarvis Hayes - Meh
Other notables
#18. David West - All-Star
#21. Boris Diaw - Solid player
#28. Leandro Barbosa - Solid 6th man
#29. Josh Howard - One time All-Star
#47. Mo Williams - One time All-Star
#51. Kyle Korver - Everyone loves him


2007 Top 10 picks:
#1. Greg Oden - Injury bust
#2. Kevin Durant - Multiple All-Star, One time MVP, HOF
#3. Al Horford - Multiple All-Star
#4. Mike Conley Jr - Solid Starter
#5. Jeff Green - Role Player
#6. Yi Jianlian - Bust
#7. Corey Brewer - Bust
#8. Brandan Wright - Bust
#9. Joakim Noah - Multiple All-Star
#10 Spencer Hawes - I don't know what to call him
Other notables
#48. Marc Gasol - All-Star

Lesser notables:
Nick Young
Rodney Stuckey
Wilson Chandler
Arron Affalo
Carl Landry
 

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2003 Top 10 picks:
#1 LeBron James - Best player in NBA, HOF
#2 Darko Milicic - Bust
#3 Carmelo Anthony - Multiple All-Star, Scoring Leader
#4 Chris Bosh - Multiple All-Star
#5 Dwyane Wade - Multiple Al-Star likely HOF
#6 Chris Kaman - One time All-Star, Solid player
#7 Kirk Hinrich - Starter for 6 years, solid bench player now
#8 TJ Ford - Good while healthy, career ended early due to injuries
#9 Mike Sweetney - Bust
#10 Jarvis Hayes - Meh
Other notables
#18. David West - All-Star
#21. Boris Diaw - Solid player
#28. Leandro Barbosa - Solid 6th man
#29. Josh Howard - One time All-Star
#47. Mo Williams - One time All-Star
#51. Kyle Korver - Everyone loves him


2007 Top 10 picks:
#1. Greg Oden - Injury bust
#2. Kevin Durant - Multiple All-Star, One time MVP, HOF
#3. Al Horford - Multiple All-Star
#4. Mike Conley Jr - Solid Starter
#5. Jeff Green - Role Player
#6. Yi Jianlian - Bust
#7. Corey Brewer - Bust
#8. Brandan Wright - Bust
#9. Joakim Noah - Multiple All-Star
#10 Spencer Hawes - I don't know what to call him
Other notables
#48. Marc Gasol - All-Star

Lesser notables:
Nick Young
Rodney Stuckey
Wilson Chandler
Arron Affalo
Carl Landry
Idk if I would call Corey Brewer a bust...he is a solid defender if nothing else. He's had some decent years with Minnesota. I'd call him average.
 

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while not better than 03....04 was pretty deep

lacked star power outside of howard but produced some good productive players
 

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2003 Top 10 picks:
#1 LeBron James - Best player in NBA, HOF
#2 Darko Milicic - Bust
#3 Carmelo Anthony - Multiple All-Star, Scoring Leader
#4 Chris Bosh - Multiple All-Star
#5 Dwyane Wade - Multiple Al-Star likely HOF
#6 Chris Kaman - One time All-Star, Solid player
#7 Kirk Hinrich - Starter for 6 years, solid bench player now
#8 TJ Ford - Good while healthy, career ended early due to injuries
#9 Mike Sweetney - Bust
#10 Jarvis Hayes - Meh
Other notables
#18. David West - All-Star
#21. Boris Diaw - Solid player
#28. Leandro Barbosa - Solid 6th man
#29. Josh Howard - One time All-Star
#47. Mo Williams - One time All-Star
#51. Kyle Korver - Everyone loves him


2007 Top 10 picks:
#1. Greg Oden - Injury bust
#2. Kevin Durant - Multiple All-Star, One time MVP, HOF
#3. Al Horford - Multiple All-Star
#4. Mike Conley Jr - Solid Starter
#5. Jeff Green - Role Player
#6. Yi Jianlian - Bust
#7. Corey Brewer - Bust
#8. Brandan Wright - Bust
#9. Joakim Noah - Multiple All-Star
#10 Spencer Hawes - I don't know what to call him
Other notables
#48. Marc Gasol - All-Star

Lesser notables:
Nick Young
Rodney Stuckey
Wilson Chandler
Arron Affalo
Carl Landry
:smh: and Wilson being in the "lesser notables" c'mon scoot. :pity:
 

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:smh: and Wilson being in the "lesser notables" c'mon scoot. :pity:

lol i knew your post would be about Ill Will

you're as predicable about DePaul stuff as me when it comes to Ben Gordon :troll:
 

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Scooters analysis is laughable. I especially like the highly specific and specific terms like "solid". So much to go by with that. Lol

2003 was extremely top heavy. In 2007 you could get someone like Marc Gasol well into the second round. I also found it interesting that, even with Oden busting, 2007 was the draft for post players with Horford, Noah, and Gasol. If you want a wing 2003 is the better class even though 2007 had the 2nd best wing player.
 

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Idk if I would call Corey Brewer a bust...he is a solid defender if nothing else. He's had some decent years with Minnesota. I'd call him average.

For the #7 pick in the draft I'd say so. But average probably is a better way to put it given he has had some good to him.

Scooters analysis is laughable. I especially like the highly specific and specific terms like "solid". So much to go by with that. Lol

2003 was extremely top heavy. In 2007 you could get someone like Marc Gasol well into the second round. I also found it interesting that, even with Oden busting, 2007 was the draft for post players with Horford, Noah, and Gasol. If you want a wing 2003 is the better class even though 2007 had the 2nd best wing player.

Sorry, I didnt have time to go into depth with everything last night. Didn't feel I needed to anyways. I feel overall 2003 is better than 2007, while you do have a point on a wing vs post players in those two drafts, there's just been more to develop out of 2003.
 

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For the #7 pick in the draft I'd say so. But average probably is a better way to put it given he has had some good to him.



Sorry, I didnt have time to go into depth with everything last night. Didn't feel I needed to anyways. I feel overall 2003 is better than 2007, while you do have a point on a wing vs post players in those two drafts, there's just been more to develop out of 2003.

Wilson Chandler has been a better player than Hinrich. I don't care if you over esteem Hinrich but then that means other players, like Chandler and Sessions are then elevated.
 

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Wilson Chandler has been a better player than Hinrich. I don't care if you over esteem Hinrich but then that means other players, like Chandler and Sessions are then elevated.
The numbers don't support your theory what so ever. Is Wilson better than Hinrich now? Yes. Has he had a more productive career at this point? Nope. I'm not even a Hinrich fan, I personally wish the Bulls had never brought him back.

Hinrich was the leader of playoff teams from 2004-2007. He averaged over 20 ppg in the playoffs in 2005 and 2006. He fell off in the 2007 playoffs and never really recovered to what he was. Hinrich did All-NBA 2nd team honors in 2006-07.

Chandler's most productive years were on god awful New York Knicks teams. He hasn't won zip and he hasn't even cracked a top list in any statistical category. He's never been a leader of a team. Chandler still has room for improvement as he's only 27 years old. So this could change, but for now, Hinrich has had a better career and been a better player.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hinriki01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandwi01.html
 

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China and the 2011 NBA lockout[edit]
In August 2011, in the midst of an NBA lockout, Chandler signed with the Zhejiang Guangsha Lions of the Chinese Basketball Association. With Zhejiang Guangsha, he plays under former Dallas Mavericks head coach Jim Cleamons. About his decision, Chandler said, "Maybe I'll lose out, but I think it can be a great experience. I haven't been in any [labor negotiation] meetings. I can't call it. I'm just taking a risk, at the end of the day."[16] His deal didn't have an out-clause, which meant that Chandler wouldn't return until after the All-Star break.[17] Had Chandler not signed with a Chinese team, he would have been a restricted free agent. Zhejiang Guangsha attempted to put more NBA talent around Chandler by signing Earl Clark, but Clark asked to leave the team due to family reasons.[18] They later attempted to sign Tyson Chandler, but he declined the team's offer.[19] In his debut, Wilson Chandler scored 43 points along with 22 rebounds and 4 assists in 50 minutes in a 118-115 double overtime win over Tianjin Ronggang.[20] Chandler followed his debut performance by recording 28 points, 12 rebounds and 2 assists against Qingdao DoubleStar in a 111-94 win.[21] Chandler recorded 42 points, 10 rebounds and 3 steals in Zhejiang Guangsha's first loss against the Shangdong Lions.[22] With the help of Chandler, the Lions ended up reaching the playoffs to play against the Beijing Ducks in the first round. Unfortunately, he couldn't participate in the playoffs, and as a result, Zhejiang was swept by Beijing.

Season League Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2011–12 CBA Zhejiang Lions 32 29 34.6 .514 .291 .763 11.6 2.3 1.4 0.8 26.6


Chandler sure sounds like a stud to me :shifty:




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lol the numbers we're off i thought he was shooting 34% and 29% from the FT at first

i remember when i first joined i said trade Deng for Wilson Chandler and ppl laughed :(

we ended up getting nothing for Deng in the long run tho :tongue:
 

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