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Boston competing with the bottom third teams for 2015 top pick?
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Was about to post this... meh he's better then Masterson i suppose.
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For Allen Craig and Joe Kelly
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I think St Louis lost this trade if it is indeed essentially:
StL: Lackey
Bos: Craig + Kelly
StL: Lackey
Bos: Craig + Kelly
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Lackey has a super cheap option club option next year, and there is no doubt in my mind that Lackey improves once he gets to St. Louis.
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Craig has also sucked this year.
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Yeah 500k for a year of Lackey is pretty nice.
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Not if he stinks.
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I think they killed it, especially with the 500K option next year. Allen was nothign special and Kelly is just a 4/5 pitcher.
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Craig is very upset about being dealt. Pussy.
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And you think wrong. It's not a certainty it won't work out for St Louis but it's not likely. For it to be a good trade Lackey has to be > than Kelly and Craig. The Cardinals are buying high on Lackey and selling low on Craig. Kelly on his own is just as likely to be good next year as is Lackey. Lackeys age and inconsistency work against him. And then they give Boston an additional hedge in Craig at a time when offense is in short supply.
It looks like the Red Sox have weighed in on whether there's currently more value in offense vs pitching. It looks like they're taking the position that the low run production is more about a scarcity of offense than it is quality pitching.
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Joe Kelly has never been worth more than 1 win. In the NL Central. So by going to the AL East, he is going to improve his numbers? So much so that he will outweigh Lackey, whose worst seasons have been 1.6 wins?
I'm calling bullshit. Lackey is a 2 or 3 for the Cardinals. Joe Kelly is a replacement level player. Cardinals got a great deal here. Kelly and Craig were also doing literally nothing to help them this year. Lackey bolsters their rotation and improves their offense by getting rid of Craig.
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Uh oh..CO and I agree....cray cray
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Kelly has never been a starter for a whole season but he's 26 and Lackey is 35. After 266 innings pitched in his career, Kelly's ERA is 3.25.
That's some awesome analysis there.
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Btw, this trade looks like each team overvalued what was done against them by each of these players in the World Series. Kelly, Craig, and Lackey all did ok in the World Series.
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lackey has a team option for league minimum. thats great for the cards
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I agree that St. Louis lost this trade. I wouldn't have given up both Craig and Kelly for Lackey. Boston got the best of St. Louis. And as a cubs fan I love it.
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His ERA in the AL is 3.60. That's pretty decent. He'll be good in the Cards rotation. Hopefully not great.
But I agree that the Cards sold low on Craig. He still is as productive or more so than Holliday, and cheaper.
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So Boston has lost Crawford, A-Gon, Beckett, Gomes, Lester, Dempster, Elsbury, Miller, Lackey, and Drew, have a struggling Buchholz and an aging Papi and Pedroia, with a weak free agent market coming up.
They have dealt these players and freed up money, got cost controlled players in return, have a top 3 farm system, are in a large market area and are poised to add players to their homegrown talent when they get to the majors.
Hmmm! Does this sound familiar?
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