Bulls Plan B is Better than Plan A

brett05 said:

Would he? Has anyone ever tracked that?

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ChiSoxCity said:

Meh... aside from replacing Deng with McBuckets, not much has changed in Chicago.

All the pressure is still on Rose to be an MVP and carry the team... by himself.

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clonetrooper264 said:

Well if by tracked you mean pure statistics...I guess assists sort of counts. I'd have to go back into the depths of my memory for older players, but I'd imagine Noah could hold his own. Personally, I think he's always been a great passer from the post, it was just magnified last year when all the offense ran through him. Some of the bounce passes he's made for a layup/dunk the past few years were pretty darn good. Right up there with Vlade and Brad Miller at least. Not saying he's like...top 3 all time or whatever (though I guess he could be...again not sure) but if you were making a list, he'd probably be top 10. For passing.

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brett05 said:

I think it's at least an interesting proposal even if Noah ends up ranking like #25.

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brett05 said:

Found this from a source I am unfamiliar with that has Noah #5 all time

http://dimemag.com/2012/12/the-nbas-top-5-passing-centers/

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brett05 said:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1013628

They mention Noah in the top 15 of guys being bantered around in this one.

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SP33 said:

So we missed out on Melo and there is rioting in the forums of the Chicago basketball world? We've already been through Melo drama. He's a loser. And he's OK with it to make things worse. Get over it. In one of the most stacked draft classes the NBA has ever seen, the Bulls got the number 1 scorer in the nation. McDermott, sure he's no franchise cornerstone. But he can score. Mirotic has been getting hyped for years now. The best player in the world outside the NBA. Sure some pessimist could say (that's like being the smartist kid with downsyndrome). I like to think, if he has Special person-like abilities, yo shoot 45% from downtown, more power to him. Let the defender sleep on him and see what happens. Pau was not the best signing, because we know exactly what we're getting. 16/8 on roughly 32 mpg. Another Carlos Boozer? No. Drink a glass of water, slam 2 aleve, and get over that hang over already. They are entirely different players with different styles and resumes. All the Bulls needed was offense these past 4 years. They finally have it. 5 guys on the roster that shoot over the league average (36%) from 3pt land. Athletic wings for penetration, stretch 4, interior combo forward/center in Gasol. The pick and rolls/ pick and pops are going to be insane. The Lebrons and Durants of the world in all their infinite endless reservoirs of talent, can only guard 1 player at a time. This is exactly why San Antonio has been taking them to school for years. Have you people been living under a rock for the past 16 years, since the Jordan era? What in the wild wild world of sports is going on when fans don't believe in their team anymore? Just because we don't land some "I'm OK with being the hometown hero that loses most of the time" like Carmelo Anthony, all of the sudden all hope is lost? Go ahead and call me a homer, I welcome it, I know a franchise championship caliber roster when I see one. The Bulls are right there with the top contenders and will remain there for years. Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves.

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ChiSoxCity said:

I really hate being the bearer of bad news, and would love to drink the koolaid with you. However, I cannot ignore reality and common sense.

Here's a link to the top 50 scorers in the NCAA last year. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/136/p1

Pay close attention to the names of the players and the schools they played for. You will notice that almost all of them played at weaker, 2nd or 3rd tier programs. In fact, Cameron Bairstow, the kid we drafted from New Mexico, is ranked 19th on that list. The only NBA caliber talent from a major program listed is Jabari Parker at #40. Elfrid Payton, drafted out of Louisiana-Lafayette by Orlando, is the only other NBA talent I see. My point in all this, is that this list, and having the distinction of being on it, are largely irrelevant in NBA terms. All it means really is that you were a big fish in a very small pond. There is a tremendous gap between scoring 30 points against Evansville and 30 points in an NBA game. The talent level is exponentially higher in the NBA among your teammates and your opposition. We Bulls fans should be cautiously optimistic and wait to see if McDermott and Mirotic can transition smoothly to the NBA game before talking about our chances to win anything.

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clonetrooper264 said:

I'm finding this to be obnoxiously difficult to research. For whatever reason basketball-reference won't let me filter the assist stats by position. ESPN and NBA.com seem to have the same issue. Among those most commonly discussed from earlier eras though are Kareem, Hakeem, Wes Unseld, Bill Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Walton, and Sabonis. Throw in Divac, Miller, and Noah and you're at 11 guys right there.

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SP33 said:

So we missed out on Melo and there is rioting in the forums of the Chicago basketball world? We've already been through Melo drama. He's a loser. And he's OK with it to make things worse. Get over it. In one of the most stacked draft classes the NBA has ever seen, the Bulls got the number 1 scorer in the nation.

McDermott, sure he's no franchise cornerstone. But he can score. Mirotic has been getting hyped for years now. The best player in the world outside the NBA. Sure some pessimist could say (that's like being the smartist kid with downsyndrome). I like to think, if he has Special person-like abilities, yo shoot 45% from downtown, more power to him.

Let the defender sleep on him and see what happens. Pau was not the best signing, because we know exactly what we're getting. 16/8 on roughly 32 mpg. Another Carlos Boozer? No. Drink a glass of water, slam 2 aleve, and get over that hang over already. They are entirely different players with different styles and resumes.

All the Bulls needed was offense these past 4 years. They finally have it. 5 guys on the roster that shoot over the league average (36%) from 3pt land. Athletic wings for penetration, stretch 4, interior combo forward/center in Gasol. The pick and rolls/ pick and pops are going to be insane.

The Lebrons and Durants of the world in all their infinite endless reservoirs of talent, can only guard 1 player at a time. This is exactly why San Antonio has been taking them to school for years. Have you people been living under a rock for the past 16 years, since the Jordan era?

What in the wild wild world of sports is going on when fans don't believe in their team anymore? Just because we don't land some "I'm OK with being the hometown hero that loses most of the time" like Carmelo Anthony, all of the sudden all hope is lost?

Go ahead and call me a homer, I welcome it, I know a franchise championship caliber roster when I see one. The Bulls are right there with the top contenders and will remain there for years. Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Poohdini said:

i think you took clones post a bit too serious....he always jokes like that

most ppl here have accepted what we have and are ready for the season

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Bear Pride said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65759-top-10-nba-centers-of-all-time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_assists_leaders

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brett05 said:

Aren't you slighting Noah and to a degree Pau? And giving no consideration to Mirotic?

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Bear Pride said:

How many 'sure things' are there today? This is why you really are not saying anything. One could pretty much say that about pretty much anyone today. Heck, was MJ a sure thing? No one knew he would be so good. I could 'list' a bunch more, but.....

These 'lists' give talent evaluators and scouts a starting point to a players talents as well as strength's and weakness'. Whether you like it or not, stats are part of the game today. Notice #4 on the list (Billy Barron) was also on the Bulls SL team.

Emery and the Bears used them big time this year to bring in 'high pressure' DL players. Theo for the Cubs is using them to bring in low cost pitching prospects with an upside. The point is, while this list does not guarantee shit, it is not purposeless. And certainly not for the reason that "you never know what this prospect will do".

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ChiSoxCity said:

Yeah, except my post had nothing to do with stats. People seem to think McDermott will come out and add instant offense because he was the #1 scorer in the NCAA last year. With all the talk about playoffs and championship contenders, my post was about tempering expectations and keeping things in proper perspective. The Bulls should have a better record because Rose is back. If he gets hurt again, we're probably marginally better if Jimmy and Snell shoot better.

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Xplosive said:

Plan A = Melo
Plan B = Gasol and Hinrich.

Is that a joke? No way in hell is plan B better. Mirotic coming over still could have happened with Plan A so adding him to Plan B is just an attempt to make it sound better. Its over now so let's move on, but I don't need dumb articles to try and rationalize it or pretend that we are better off with Plan B.

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