Initial Roster Comparison -- 2014 vs. 2013

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The latter just wasn't realistic, so It's more of the former. Simply because I can't ignore what they actually did last year, nor did I want to.
But u ignored Wright being terrible at S with depth not even good enough to bench him or Conte to at least an option to replace this year. U ignore Bush being nothing at the end of last year. U ignore all the DTs being injured last year and healthy now with top 100 talent added. U have players like Maneri, Adams, etc who were not on the team by week 2. It's a good exercise, but severely flawed in execution.
 

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But u ignored Wright being terrible at S with depth not even good enough to bench him or Conte to at least an option to replace this year. U ignore Bush being nothing at the end of last year. U ignore all the DTs being injured last year and healthy now with top 100 talent added. U have players like Maneri, Adams, etc who were not on the team by week 2. It's a good exercise, but severely flawed in execution.

Done bitching?
 

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This is a tough exercise. Clearly Clausen is a downgrade today, but he is a better prospect than McCown was at the beginning of last year. Clearly the dts are better today than at the end of the year, but I felt just as good about them at the beginning of last year. So it's not really an initial roster comparison or a final roster comparison. It just feels like trying to pin down jello.

Overall I think the talent level is pretty similar. Maybe slightly more this year but there are real questions about some of the older vets on this team. Hopefully there are fewer injuries and then I think the bears have a real chance at the playoffs.
 

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Comparison of the two Rosters that I have written down on Aug. 31 of each year. There were some changes shortly after this I think, but this is close to the initial 53 man roster from last year.

Quarterback: (DOWN)
Cutler, Clausen, Fales --- Cutler, McCown
Hindsight says that last years (backup) QBs are better than this years. But maybe Clausen will surprise as well this year.

Running Back: (DOWN)
Forte, Draughn, Carey, Perry --- Forte, Bush, Ford
Bush didn't give us much last year, but none of the three backups we're going with this year are proven in any way. Maybe that's why we kept so many of them.
If even one of the guys this year can make a solid contribution, then this will be an UP. But I have to see it happen first.

Full Back: (EVEN)
Fiametta --- Fiametta

Wide Receiver: (UP)
Marshall, Jeffery, Morgan, Holmes, Spurlock, Wilson --- Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, Wilson, Anderson, Weems
If Wilson returns and contributes as we all hope he will, this will be a solid UP. However, even if he doesn't, Morgan and Holmes seem like a slight upgrade over the WR depth we had last year.

Tight End: (EVEN)
Bennett, Rosario, Mulligan --- Bennett, Maneri, Adams
Seems like a wash right now. Rosario and Maneri are both decent blockers, but we still don't have much after Bennett.

Tackle: (DOWN)
Bushrod, Mills, Ola, Leno --- Bushrod, Mills, Scott, Britton
With Mills just getting back and Ola and Leno not being that impressive in the preseason, we seem a bit less certain at the Tackle spot this year. If Ola and/or Leno are pressed into action, I hope they come on strong.

Guard: (DOWN)
Slauson, Long --- Slauson, Long, Brown
If De La Puente had been healthy recently, I'd give this an UP since I think he's more capable of backing up the Guard position than Brown was last year, but until then, we're a little short at the Guard Spot.
Long has looked even better this preseason than he did last season, and I think that could translate into him having an even better season this year.

Center: (EVEN)
Garza, De La Puente --- Garza, Boggs
When I'm certain that De La Puente is back healthy, this will be a Solid UP.


Defensive Tackle: (EVEN)
Ratliffe, Paea, Sutton, Ferguson --- Melton, Paea, Collins, Minter
Some will think this is a solid UP, but I don't see it yet. Ratliffe has been solid, but so was Melton for awhile there.
I see a lot of positive potential in Sutton and Ferguson, but these are two completely untested DTs who are going to be called on to provide a lot of work this year.
I hope they learn fast and get better quickly. I'm somewhat concerned that we've undervalued our DT depth yet again this year.
I was going to wait until after we fleshed out the PS a little to mention it, but this really feels like a problem to me.

Defensive End: (UP)
Allen, Houston, Young, Scott, Washington, Bass --- Peppers, Wootton, McClellin, Ozougu, Washington
The clearest UP on the Team. Improved significantly from #1 thru #4. I don't see the need for carrying six of them this year, but hopefully Bass and Washington can give us something on Special Teams.

Linebacker: (EVEN)
Briggs, Williams, McClellin, Bostic, Greene, Jones --- Briggs, Williams, Anderson, Bostic, Greene, Costanzo
This is at best an EVEN. That's assuming some improvement from Bostic and Greene, which I've seen signs of this preseason.

Cornerback: (UP)
Tillman, Jennings, Fuller, McManis, Hurst --- Tillman, Jennings, Frey, Bowman, McManis, Wilson
The little I've seen of Fuller so far gives this group a slight UP. But that's assuming he really has something special to offer the Secondary.
This group needs it. McManis has been better this year I think.

Safety: (EVEN)
Mundy, Conte, McCray, Vereen --- Wright, Conte, Steltz, Walters
I have hope that Mundy is just a little better than Wright, but I don't see much here to suggest this group is any better than it was last year.
I pray they aren't put in the same position they were last year, but given what I've seen from Tucker and this defense during the Preseason, I don't have much hope of that.

Specialists: (DOWN)
Podlesh, Gould, Mannelly, Hester --- O'Donnell, Gould, Hartson
Apparently Hartson is now gone and we have no LS at all. Even with him, this group doesn't inspire much confidence.
O'Donnell hasn't impressed me at all so far. I hope that changes once the season starts.
Mannelly and Hester are proving to be bigger losses than expected. I can't believe a better backup plan wasn't under consideration a long time ago.

QB = UPI feel more confident with our QB's at this time of the year than last. No one was excited about McCown when the season started. I know Clausen can be decent.

TE = UP They are better this year. IMO

Guards = EVEN A better long offsets the depth that will not be a problem in a couple of weeks

Defensive tackle = UP Ratliff is better than last year's Melton and our depth with the rookies is an improvement

Linebackers = DOWN Briggs is older, Williams is older and I would take Anderson right now over the resot of them
 

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the only places i think we are worse (downgrade) are at ST, LB and S, and i am slightly optimistic about our young LBs. we are even at a lot of positions, but i definitely feel we are better (upgrade) at DE, WR and RB.
 

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QB = UPI feel more confident with our QB's at this time of the year than last. No one was excited about McCown when the season started. I know Clausen can be decent.

TE = UP They are better this year. IMO

Guards = EVEN A better long offsets the depth that will not be a problem in a couple of weeks

Defensive tackle = UP Ratliff is better than last year's Melton and our depth with the rookies is an improvement

Linebackers = DOWN Briggs is older, Williams is older and I would take Anderson right now over the resot of them

Not sure why you would take Anderson over Bostic or McClellin now. For 3/4 of the season last year Anderson wasn't worth a shit and isn't any better than those 2 now.
 

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I wish people understand why he said some of of the stuff he said. RB is down because we don't have anyone who done anything really besides Forte in against ones often. Guard is down, because we are missing a legit Guard back up and with Da La Puenta hurt, that means you have to rely on a tackle to back up, everything right now.

LB is even, until they can prove it. I seen nothing that would tell me otherwise. And Safety... to the biggest complainer on safety He said himself he felt Mundy was a better player then what we had. Just not enough to see an overall improvement.

I think, rather then showing they can fix a whole defense in one season, because unlike the offense, they didn't really show they had pieces to build on like a Forte, Jeffery and Marshall. The Defense had a declining Briggs, that's it. Had the re sign Jennings and they were able to wait out Tillman for one more year to get his replacement ready for this. But here's what they did do on Defense...

Greatly improved the D Line and got two DT's for the future. A major plus on both frontsAlong with adding two somewhat young DE's and Allen gives you a nice core of strength to this D Line. Moving our 1st round bust off the D Line is addition by subtraction.

The LB's was don last year in truth. Greene may very well next year be Briggs replacement on the Line and Bostic maybe the Mike next season as well. If they showed signs of getting better, all well and good, but they need to do it, if they get a chance this season to do it. But it's set possibly with another draft, to have a nice core and young challenge for all LB's next season. It's a possibility more then anything else. They even are likely giving their first round bust a chance to be a a part of it next season, well, maybe...

Safety, they didn't do anything. I'll admit it, this is likely a job for next season and the first thing that needs to be dealt with. But the truth of the matter is we all knew it was about the same before the draft and we all hoped they would go safety earlier then the 4th, but not to be. Hopefully Vereen turns into a steal an whoever they get via F/A or draft next year is a step up. Or Conte plays better. You never know.

The only thing I actually disagree with is the Center... De la Puenta is an upgrade over Boggs. I know he hurt, but we have a legit starter as a back up to Garza this year. and likely the starter next season.
 

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Not sure why you would take Anderson over Bostic or McClellin now. For 3/4 of the season last year Anderson wasn't worth a shit and isn't any better than those 2 now.

I'm comparing the roster this last year and now. I was more optimistic with Anderson
 

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I am not at all happy about where the Safety position is, but I can't say it is down from last year.

Conte = Conte

Mundy > Wright, no? Not a lot greater. Not great enough. But not worse.
 

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I am not at all happy about where the Safety position is, but I can't say it is down from last year.

Conte = Conte

Mundy > Wright, no? Not a lot greater. Not great enough. But not worse.

Agreed.
Right now, I'm hoping that Mundy ends up playing better than Wright, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that's going to happen yet.
Really, I'm hoping that with some work Vereen will flash some potential and turn into a decent pick.
 

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This assessment isn't assigning any value to potential upside, which RB and DT both have more of this year than last.

I would call tackle even with this also, as all we did was move out two older, known quantity players, one of which was injury prone, for two younger players that are less ready, but have much more upside.

It's something that I think has value and should be considered.
 

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Going into the season , the qbs are an up. Why? Cuz during the preseason mccown was mostly referred to a mcclown because he was being so vastly outplayed by palmer. He looked like a real bum, and clausen doesnt.

DTs- Down. Why because u went from Melton and Paea to Ratliff and Paea.

Tes-Up. Rosario is better than maneri.

I dont see how the Guards and tackles would go down. Same guys as last year mostly, britton was beat out some other guy so i figure that would make it even. De la puente totally healthy or not made the roster and projects to become healthy at some point.


Overall this roster looks better to me than last year.
 

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Melton sounds like he's doing garbage work in Dallas. Ratliff is a multiple pro bowl DT who sounds healthy and is playing next to jared fuckin Allen.

I'll take the Ratliff/Allen combo anyday over Melton/peppers/paea.

I'm writing Paea off as a near bust at this point. Dude can't stay healthy and is constantly injured. I think that knee injury he had during the combine still lingers somehow, even though it's not on the injury report. He doesn't look nearly as explosive as he did in college- dude was so friggin quick!!
 
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QB - Down Slightly & open to change for better or worse. If Trestman can get McCown to play as well as he did I have to believe he can get some of that success with another journeyman.

HB - Up. Forte is still the best player on this offense & the position will only get better with Carey to back him up.

O-Line - Wash

WR - Up. Holmes is the #3 these guys are going to be scary by midseason if everyone stays healthy.

TE/FB - Wash

DT/DE - Wash because of inexperience subject to change with experience. I'll take my chances with Sutton & Ratliff as 3 - techs. Melton was more established than Sutton who is an unknown. I really like that Sutton pick & I certainly like Ratliff better than Collins. Ferguson & Paea are stronger at shade than we were last season. Peppers wasn't close to the Peppers of old last season so they're not replacing great production. I think Houston will be a solid DE, & think he'd be even more effective as a Nickel 3-Tech. Allen should legitimately replace Peppers production/presence.


LB - Down. No way in hell you'll convince me that McClellin is a better LB at any LB position in any system than Anderson. IMO this should be TOP priority in the Bears 2015 offseason. Briggs should be steady, & Williams should at least maintain. I don't believe that the Bears will be any worse this year with the same MIKE & WILL starters & backups that they had last season.

Safety - Wash - Mundy is an upgrade compared to Wright. Mundy is a journeyman, but he will keep the play in front of him & won't get the top popped of the defense either.

CB - Up for obvious reasons.

My prediction: This IS going to be a better team than it was last season & yes it will show on the schedule results. They won't have a dominant defense, or even a good defense, I expect average at best. But even that is significantly better than last seasons. If the Bears maintain some semblance of good health on both sides of the ball I fully expect this to be a better team overall than what it was last season.

IF Healthy:

10-6

5th ranked offense

22nd/23rd ranked defense

W/Post season appearance.
 

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QB- UP. Another year in the system for cutty. Clausen has more upside than mccown

RB- UP. Bush was nothing. Carey has potential.

WR- UP. Wilson/Holmes > anything we ever expected from bennett

FB- EQUAL.

OT- UP. Mills may improve. Leno and Ola have potential. The latter impressing in preseason.

OG- UP. Long will be better. Much better. Slausen= slausen. The depth doesnt concern me

S- DOWN. At the beginning of last year most figured we had decent safeties. That is now obviously not the case

CB- UP. Kyle fuller is a potential game-changer at nickel

LB- DOWN. Last year many thought that williams and anderson would make decent stopgaps and briggs would be briggs. No such optimism exists at this point at that position

DE- UUUUUPPPPP. This is the only position on defense guarunteed to dominate. Last year we were hoping wootten would take the next step and that peppers had one more left in the tank.

DT- EVEN. We thought our DT's would be good last year. Melton had been dominant and paea was promising. Paea is good, ratliff may be ok, amd the potential behind them is decent.

ST- DOWN. But not by as much as some think. The coverage wont be as bad as it looked in the preseason. In my mind, the jury is still out on that aspect. O'donnel is a huge upgrade over podlesh. Gould is gould, misses in preseason aside. There was more optimism with hester set as the returner than there currently is with any of our returners.
 

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