2014 Jay Cutler Discussion Thread

94SupraTT said:

Has anyone found a stat that shows a stat that eliminates "tied" going into the 4th quarter. A team could be winning the entire game, gets tied and then takes the lead and that counts as a "comeback" win although they NEVER trailed. I wonder how many of these "comeback" wins were never comebacks.


nm-Looks like ESPN was the only site used the "tied or losing" in the 4th criteria. Pro football reference seems to have it right.

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onebud34 said:

You too?

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Mongo_76 said:

THere is no doubt Jay has been clutch in non-playoff and non-critical games.

However, It's just that your "facts" are hard to take seriously when they're completely wrong...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_active.htm

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gpphat said:

Ok this is such a stupid argument, are posters really comparing the two QB's? If we had the same exact team as we do now and had our choice between Cutler and Rodgers... would the ones pounding their chest over Cutler really choose him over Rodgers? Cutler is on this team and he has been signed to a long term contract, so the Bears have tied themselves to him for better or worse. But to really compare Cutler to Rodgers and focus on one vague stat that doesn't go into any real detail by leaving it open ended with out saying how much time the QB has or whether the QB had the last possession of the game (because a QB can score to take the lead and then the defense give up a late TD and the loss count against the QB who did nothing to cause the loss) is just dumb and naive.

It's stats and posts like this that make fans look dumb because there is always more to it and when a stat is leaving out vital information and not going into depth on how they got there and looking at a sequence as a whole vs here is a time frame with a win/loss attached to it. That doesn't tell us much.

I would say the vast majority here no matter if they are a "fanboy" or "hater" would choose Rodgers over Cutler each time. It's not a knock on Cutler because he is a top 15 QB with potential to be top 10. But Rodgers is, and will be for a long time, a top 5 QB. So what is the purpose of arguing over this trivial stat when we all know who the better QB is.

Edit - this isn't to diminish Cutler's comebacks, but without the Bears advancing to the playoffs those comebacks don't mean too much to me.

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Bearshomer said:

I'd say it has been the other way around.

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xer0h0ur said:

The Packers were fielding a stronger team across the board for the majority of Rodgers' career. Its only now that your GM's shit drafting has caught up to reality.

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L GUAPO said:

There you go again...trying to change the topic to who has been more clutch over the years and had more comeback wins in the clutch to who is a better qb. You just have to stop being a Rodgers homer and admit that the facts are the facts. Deal with it. Rodgers is a better qb.....but guess what? The OP topic is about clutch winning % in the latter minutes of the game when trailing so stick to that topic and here comes another brain buster math problem that you have had trouble with in the past....

51% > 17%. This concludes our lesson for today. Start a thread of who is the better qb if you want, but this topic....you just look silly...as usual

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gpphat said:

Where did I disagree with the stat numbnuts...all I'm saying is this arguing over who is more clutch is meaningless and stupid because those clutch wins don't mean dick if they aren't getting you in the playoffs. How many of those losses happened when the opposing team scored leaving less than a minute on the clock? I don't think those figures tell the whole story but I know you will latch onto anything and will revert back to the old "stick to the OP" versus having an intelligent conversation. You want to argue over this go right ahead but arguing with you is worst than arguing with a wall because you can't have an actual discussion. Any intelligent football fan knows Rodgers is head and shoulders better than Cutler (again not a knock on Cutler, just plain fact), so what does the "clutch" stat prove? Given a choice between Cutler and Rodgers would you choose Cutler over Rodgers because Cutler is more clutch?

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ursamajor said:

The biggest thing, is that Rodgers has enjoyed more stability in offensive scheme.

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JDB_219 said:

Rodgers is also more accurate and more careful with the ball and a better athlete too.

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ursamajor said:

Better athlete? Not even close-more slippery, maybe. But Cutler is significantly stronger, and has the bigger arm.

I will give you accuracy as well, but I also have to point out, that w/ Cutler being in his second season of Trestman's offense, his completion percentage is more than 4% higher than Rodgers' so far this season-and with more attempts.

edit, I wanted to go back and look at their numbers.

Jay ran a 4.7 40
Aaron ran a 4.7 40

Jay put up 23 reps on the bench, w/ a max of 405

Aaron did not do the bench at the combine, but did max 340 at his pro day.

So , how is Rodgers the "better athlete"?

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JDB_219 said:

Rodgers is a better mover to my eye. Jay is a fine athlete but Rodgers seems smoother on the move. The Arm thing isn't that clear cut either, Rodgers has a gun.

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