ESPN 500: Bulls 2014

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I don't put much stock in these, but for fun here's the countdown thus far.

485. Cameron Baristow
415. Nazr Mohammed
286. Tony Snell
244. Aaron Brooks
204. Kirk Hinrich
192. Doug McDermott
163. Nikola Mirotic
152. Mike Dunleavy Jr.
70. Jimmy Butler
65. Taj Gibson
44. Pau Gasol
28. Derrick Rose
12. Joakim Noah



Did not make the cut.
E'twaun Moore
Ben Hansbrough
Salomon Jones
Kim English

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11667182/2014-nba-player-rankings-61-70
 
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I have a problem putting rookies higher than vets. You can expect and hope they climp, but they should start behind guys like Snell. Snell is a survivor of draft position. Lucky to stick really, and just barely hanging on. Rookies should be behind him to begin. he earned that.
 

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Also....come on...we are trusting outside sources. We already figured this our better than the video game or these clowns yesterday.

I'm sorry, but you can't start and finish an NBA season with Rose, Hinrich, Brooks and SF/SG Butler. Can you?


I doubt it. Seems like Moore or Hansbaourough will win a 5th guard spot to me, maybe that isn't how this thing works, but if Moore is viable we took quite a bit of time deliberating bringing him in. I think he sticks as emergency.
 

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E'twann Moore should be ahead of Bairstow.
 

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002. Kevin Durant, THUNDER
003. Chris Paul, CLIPPERS
004. Derrick Rose, BULLS
005. Russell Westbrook, THUNDER
006. Blake Griffin, CLIPPERS
007. Kevin Love, CAVS
008. Kobe Bryant, LAKERS
009. James Harden, ROCKETS
010. LaMarcus Aldridge, BLAZERS
011. Anthony Davis, PELICANS
012. Dwight Howard, ROCKETS
013. Stephen Curry, WARRIORS
014. Tony Parker, SPURS
015. Carmelo Anthony, KNICKS
016. Paul George, PACERS
017. Damian Lillard, BLAZERS
018. Tim Duncan, SPURS
019. DeMarcus Cousins, KINGS
020. Chris Bosh, HEAT
021. Kyrie Irving, CAVS
022. John Wall, WIZARDS
023. Dirk Nowitzki, MAVS
024. Al Jefferson, HORNETS
025. Al Horford, HAWKS
026. Kawhi Leonard, SPURS
027. Dwyane Wade, HEAT
028. Deron Williams, NETS
029. Marc Gasol, GRIZZLIES
030. Serge Ibaka, THUNDER
031. Joakim Noah, BULLS
032. Pau Gasol, BULLS
033. Zach Randolph, GRIZZLIES
034. Rajon Rondo, CELTICS
035. Ty Lawson, NUGGETS
036. Paul Millsap, HAWKS
037. Goran Dragic, SUNS
038. Arron Afflalo, NUGGETS
039. David Lee, WARRIORS
040. Mike Conley, Jr., GRIZZLIES
041. Jrue Holiday, PELICANS
042. Kyle Lowry, RAPTORS
043. Danilo Gallinari, NUGGETS
044. Brook Lopez, NETS
045. DeMar DeRozan, RAPTORS
046. Bradley Beal, WIZARDS
047. Andre Drummond, PISTONS
048. Marcin Gortat, WIZARDS
049. Joe Johnson, NETS
050. David West, PACERS
051. Roy Hibbert, PACERS
052. Ryan Anderson, PELICANS
053. Andre Iguodala, WARRIORS
054. Nene Hilario, WIZARDS
055. Jeff Teague, HAWKS
056. Monta Ellis, MAVS
057. Jamal Crawford, CLIPPERS
058. Chandler Parsons, MAVS
059. Kenneth Faried, NUGGETS
060. Klay Thompson, WARRIORS
061. DeAndre Jordan, CLIPPERS
062. Nicholas Batum. BLAZERS
063. Jeff Green, CELTICS
064. Rudy Gay, KINGS
065. Luol Deng, HEAT
066. Eric Bledsoe, SUNS
067. Manu Ginobili, SPURS
068. Nikola Pekovic, T-WOLVES
069. Eric Gordon, PELICANS
070. Gordon Hayward, JAZZ
071. Lance Stephenson, HORNETS
072. Jabari Parker, BUCKS
073. Tyreke Evans, PELICANS
074. Kevin Martin, T-WOLVES
075. Isaiah Thomas, SUNS
076. Kemba Walker, HORNETS
077. Wesley Matthews, BLAZERS
078. Victor Oladipo, MAGIC
079. Brandon Jennings, PISTONS
080. Lou Williams, RAPTORS
081. Darren Collison, KINGS
082. Tiago Splitter, SPURS
083. Channing Frye, MAGIC
084. Taj Gibson, BULLS
085. Greg Monroe, PISTONS
086. Wilson Chandler, NUGGETS
087. Josh Smith, PISTONS
088. Tyson Chandler, MAVS
089. Jonas Valanciunas, RAPTORS
090. George Hill, PACERS
091. Ray Allen, HEAT
092. Nerlens Noel, SIXERS
093. Robin Lopez, Blazers
094. Thaddeus Young, T-WOLVES
095. J.J. Hickson, NUGGETS
096. Brandon Knight, BUCKS
097. Carlos Boozer, LAKERS
098. Amare Stoudemire, KNICKS
099. Dion Waiters, CAVS
100. Andrew Wiggins, T-WOLVES
 

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I have a problem putting rookies higher than vets. You can expect and hope they climp, but they should start behind guys like Snell. Snell is a survivor of draft position. Lucky to stick really, and just barely hanging on. Rookies should be behind him to begin. he earned that.

Of all people you use Snell as an example? Lol...McDermott is a better player than he is...right now. Just based on summer league. To say Wiggins and Parker are better than he is...would be fact.

Trade places between Parker and Snell...there would be no questions about whether Parker fits in the rotation or not.
 

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001. LeBron James, CAVS
002. Kevin Durant, THUNDER
003. Chris Paul, CLIPPERS
004. Derrick Rose, BULLS
005. Russell Westbrook, THUNDER
006. Blake Griffin, CLIPPERS
007. Kevin Love, CAVS
008. Kobe Bryant, LAKERS
009. James Harden, ROCKETS
010. LaMarcus Aldridge, BLAZERS
011. Anthony Davis, PELICANS
012. Dwight Howard, ROCKETS
013. Stephen Curry, WARRIORS
014. Tony Parker, SPURS
015. Carmelo Anthony, KNICKS
016. Paul George, PACERS
017. Damian Lillard, BLAZERS
018. Tim Duncan, SPURS
019. DeMarcus Cousins, KINGS
020. Chris Bosh, HEAT
021. Kyrie Irving, CAVS
022. John Wall, WIZARDS
023. Dirk Nowitzki, MAVS
024. Al Jefferson, HORNETS
025. Al Horford, HAWKS
026. Kawhi Leonard, SPURS
027. Dwyane Wade, HEAT
028. Deron Williams, NETS
029. Marc Gasol, GRIZZLIES
030. Serge Ibaka, THUNDER
031. Joakim Noah, BULLS
032. Pau Gasol, BULLS
033. Zach Randolph, GRIZZLIES
034. Rajon Rondo, CELTICS
035. Ty Lawson, NUGGETS
036. Paul Millsap, HAWKS
037. Goran Dragic, SUNS
038. Arron Afflalo, NUGGETS
039. David Lee, WARRIORS
040. Mike Conley, Jr., GRIZZLIES
041. Jrue Holiday, PELICANS
042. Kyle Lowry, RAPTORS
043. Danilo Gallinari, NUGGETS
044. Brook Lopez, NETS
045. DeMar DeRozan, RAPTORS
046. Bradley Beal, WIZARDS
047. Andre Drummond, PISTONS
048. Marcin Gortat, WIZARDS
049. Joe Johnson, NETS
050. David West, PACERS
051. Roy Hibbert, PACERS
052. Ryan Anderson, PELICANS
053. Andre Iguodala, WARRIORS
054. Nene Hilario, WIZARDS
055. Jeff Teague, HAWKS
056. Monta Ellis, MAVS
057. Jamal Crawford, CLIPPERS
058. Chandler Parsons, MAVS
059. Kenneth Faried, NUGGETS
060. Klay Thompson, WARRIORS
061. DeAndre Jordan, CLIPPERS
062. Nicholas Batum. BLAZERS
063. Jeff Green, CELTICS
064. Rudy Gay, KINGS
065. Luol Deng, HEAT
066. Eric Bledsoe, SUNS
067. Manu Ginobili, SPURS
068. Nikola Pekovic, T-WOLVES
069. Eric Gordon, PELICANS
070. Gordon Hayward, JAZZ
071. Lance Stephenson, HORNETS
072. Jabari Parker, BUCKS
073. Tyreke Evans, PELICANS
074. Kevin Martin, T-WOLVES
075. Isaiah Thomas, SUNS
076. Kemba Walker, HORNETS
077. Wesley Matthews, BLAZERS
078. Victor Oladipo, MAGIC
079. Brandon Jennings, PISTONS
080. Lou Williams, RAPTORS
081. Darren Collison, KINGS
082. Tiago Splitter, SPURS
083. Channing Frye, MAGIC
084. Taj Gibson, BULLS
085. Greg Monroe, PISTONS
086. Wilson Chandler, NUGGETS
087. Josh Smith, PISTONS
088. Tyson Chandler, MAVS
089. Jonas Valanciunas, RAPTORS
090. George Hill, PACERS
091. Ray Allen, HEAT
092. Nerlens Noel, SIXERS
093. Robin Lopez, Blazers
094. Thaddeus Young, T-WOLVES
095. J.J. Hickson, NUGGETS
096. Brandon Knight, BUCKS
097. Carlos Boozer, LAKERS
098. Amare Stoudemire, KNICKS
099. Dion Waiters, CAVS
100. Andrew Wiggins, T-WOLVES

Think Duncan should be a little higher up.
 

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Well.....that looks like a nice 10 man rotation we just saw....I really don't see why you would squeeze it down to 9 until the now inevitable Dunleavy trade.

Snell is next man up for minutes first injury. And Nazr next big if needed. Not much left to decide it appears.
 

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Noah should be ahead of Cousins and Bosh.
 

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LOL....no.

Lol all you want to but when you are the NBA Defensive Player of the year, first team All NBA, and your team's best passer, you are certainly better than a soft outside jump shooter who can't defend anyone nor a guy who can't hold Noah's jock defensively and is a poor team player.
 

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Lol all you want to but when you are the NBA Defensive Player of the year, first team All NBA, and your team's best passer, you are certainly better than a soft outside jump shooter who can't defend anyone nor a guy who can't hold Noah's jock defensively and is a poor team player.

Last time I checked, Chris Bosh was torching Noah head-to-head. Thibs wouldn't even play Noah at the end of big playoff games. He's a very good player but he's not a superstar. Bosh is better. And Bosh is actually a very good defensive player.

Cousins is becoming a monster. He has his flaws, but so does Noah.
 

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Last time I checked, Chris Bosh was torching Noah head-to-head. Thibs wouldn't even play Noah at the end of big playoff games. He's a very good player but he's not a superstar. Bosh is better. And Bosh is actually a very good defensive player.

Cousins is becoming a monster. He has his flaws, but so does Noah.

There is a reason why Noah was voted Defensive Player of the Year and Bosh and Cousins were not. There was a reason why Noah was First Team All NBA and Cousins was not. And it has to do with complete ability not merely scoring. Noah passes better than either of them. He defends better than either of them. And Noah is equal to Cousins in rebounding and much better than Bosh. Wait until Bosh has to bear the same kind of load that Noah has without Lebron gone and Wade crippled. He won't be shit.
 

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There is a reason why Noah was voted Defensive Player of the Year and Bosh and Cousins were not. There was a reason why Noah was First Team All NBA and Cousins was not. And it has to do with complete ability not merely scoring. Noah passes better than either of them. He defends better than either of them. And Noah is equal to Cousins in rebounding and much better than Bosh. Wait until Bosh has to bear the same kind of load that Noah has without Lebron gone and Wade crippled. He won't be shit.

If you are going to go purely by who wins All-Team awards to judge who is the better player, then you don't know basketball. Noah is a better defensive player than Bosh or Cousins. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that either of them are. Bosh is better than Noah and always has been. There was one game where Noah completely shut him down. Other than that, Bosh has owned Noah nearly every time.

Also, Bosh was more impressive before his Heat days. If you are going to count All-NBA awards, then Bosh is still > Noah. Even by your own logic.

Head-to-head, Cousins bullies Noah, too. He is a much better player than he was two years ago when he kept getting into foul trouble. Now, he is a half-way solid defender and is arguably a better rebounder than Noah, too.
 

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If you are going to go purely by who wins All-Team awards to judge who is the better player, then you don't know basketball. Noah is a better defensive player than Bosh or Cousins. But he's nowhere near the offensive player that either of them are. Bosh is better than Noah and always has been. There was one game where Noah completely shut him down. Other than that, Bosh has owned Noah nearly every time.

Also, Bosh was more impressive before his Heat days. If you are going to count All-NBA awards, then Bosh is still > Noah. Even by your own logic.

Head-to-head, Cousins bullies Noah, too. He is a much better player than he was two years ago when he kept getting into foul trouble. Now, he is a half-way solid defender and is arguably a better rebounder than Noah, too.



It is not really very relevant to compare head to head player encounters. If it is a fact that Cousins bullies Noah, how many times do they play each other in a season? Twice? But Noah is a better defender and passer in an entire season and they are about even in boards. He also is much much better as a team player and leader. he is the leader of the Bulls, Cousins is a malcontent me first guy.

As for Bosh, he cannot even begin to match Noah as a defender or passer. He also cannot rebound as well. He is a soft jump shooter. He will get exposed this year without Lebron setting him up with clear shots.
 

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002. Kevin Durant, THUNDER
003. Chris Paul, CLIPPERS
004. Derrick Rose, BULLS
005. Russell Westbrook, THUNDER
006. Blake Griffin, CLIPPERS
007. Kevin Love, CAVS
008. Kobe Bryant, LAKERS
009. James Harden, ROCKETS
010. LaMarcus Aldridge, BLAZERS
011. Anthony Davis, PELICANS
012. Dwight Howard, ROCKETS
013. Stephen Curry, WARRIORS
014. Tony Parker, SPURS
015. Carmelo Anthony, KNICKS
016. Paul George, PACERS
017. Damian Lillard, BLAZERS
018. Tim Duncan, SPURS
019. DeMarcus Cousins, KINGS
020. Chris Bosh, HEAT
021. Kyrie Irving, CAVS
022. John Wall, WIZARDS
023. Dirk Nowitzki, MAVS
024. Al Jefferson, HORNETS
025. Al Horford, HAWKS
026. Kawhi Leonard, SPURS
027. Dwyane Wade, HEAT
028. Deron Williams, NETS
029. Marc Gasol, GRIZZLIES
030. Serge Ibaka, THUNDER
031. Joakim Noah, BULLS
032. Pau Gasol, BULLS
033. Zach Randolph, GRIZZLIES
034. Rajon Rondo, CELTICS
035. Ty Lawson, NUGGETS
036. Paul Millsap, HAWKS
037. Goran Dragic, SUNS
038. Arron Afflalo, NUGGETS
039. David Lee, WARRIORS
040. Mike Conley, Jr., GRIZZLIES
041. Jrue Holiday, PELICANS
042. Kyle Lowry, RAPTORS
043. Danilo Gallinari, NUGGETS
044. Brook Lopez, NETS
045. DeMar DeRozan, RAPTORS
046. Bradley Beal, WIZARDS
047. Andre Drummond, PISTONS
048. Marcin Gortat, WIZARDS
049. Joe Johnson, NETS
050. David West, PACERS
051. Roy Hibbert, PACERS
052. Ryan Anderson, PELICANS
053. Andre Iguodala, WARRIORS
054. Nene Hilario, WIZARDS
055. Jeff Teague, HAWKS
056. Monta Ellis, MAVS
057. Jamal Crawford, CLIPPERS
058. Chandler Parsons, MAVS
059. Kenneth Faried, NUGGETS
060. Klay Thompson, WARRIORS
061. DeAndre Jordan, CLIPPERS
062. Nicholas Batum. BLAZERS
063. Jeff Green, CELTICS
064. Rudy Gay, KINGS
065. Luol Deng, HEAT
066. Eric Bledsoe, SUNS
067. Manu Ginobili, SPURS
068. Nikola Pekovic, T-WOLVES
069. Eric Gordon, PELICANS
070. Gordon Hayward, JAZZ
071. Lance Stephenson, HORNETS
072. Jabari Parker, BUCKS
073. Tyreke Evans, PELICANS
074. Kevin Martin, T-WOLVES
075. Isaiah Thomas, SUNS
076. Kemba Walker, HORNETS
077. Wesley Matthews, BLAZERS
078. Victor Oladipo, MAGIC
079. Brandon Jennings, PISTONS
080. Lou Williams, RAPTORS
081. Darren Collison, KINGS
082. Tiago Splitter, SPURS
083. Channing Frye, MAGIC
084. Taj Gibson, BULLS
085. Greg Monroe, PISTONS
086. Wilson Chandler, NUGGETS
087. Josh Smith, PISTONS
088. Tyson Chandler, MAVS
089. Jonas Valanciunas, RAPTORS
090. George Hill, PACERS
091. Ray Allen, HEAT
092. Nerlens Noel, SIXERS
093. Robin Lopez, Blazers
094. Thaddeus Young, T-WOLVES
095. J.J. Hickson, NUGGETS
096. Brandon Knight, BUCKS
097. Carlos Boozer, LAKERS
098. Amare Stoudemire, KNICKS
099. Dion Waiters, CAVS
100. Andrew Wiggins, T-WOLVES
Why do you do this?
 

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I wish that when you ignore a poster you couldn't see their posts when someone else quotes them. Can anyone do anything about this? This freakin guy is the biggest walking piece of ignorance I've seen so far, except for half the Bears forum that is.
 

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