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Diddy1122 wrote:He means diaper right? Or am I missing something?I know you don't give "a fat baby's d-" about Ben but you don't have to use that EVERY time when making a point about anything. I gives me the impression your screaming at me through your computer like an internet gangsta. :laugh:
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Common, it wouldn't be a normal day without Hou taking a crap on BG (Hows that for a diaper refernce?)in a kirk hinrich thread. Of course you don't shoot with your legs, you don't jump, run or walk with them either. St Ben gravitates on water, he has just robbed the undeserving pistons organization.
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Kush77 wrote:
Signing Gordon for 12 million was not good signing. Now if you got Gordon for 10 million then thats good signing, but in no way should you be paying Gordon near max money when he's number 3 option. He's one dimensional, which he is damn well good at, but that was bad move. As for the Pistons having to trade Billups I disagree. Who would you rather have Billups at 25 million or Ben+Charlie for 105 million. I rather have Billupshouheffna wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
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Ok lets get one thing straight. The Bulls werent going anywhere with Ben Gordan and either are the pistons. Billups is better then Stuckey and like you said Kush they werent going anywhere with Billups, but now they have over paid for Gordon and now are in the worst spot in basketball, that is not on your way up but not bad enough to get high draft picks.
The bulls were not going anywhere with our team so we needed to retool around Rose Deng and Noah, the bulls are doing fine without gordon, mainly because of the emergence of Joakim and Rose. In order to make cap room in 2010 which remains probably are only chance of a title team we had to get rid of either Hinrich and Gordon. And yes Gordon is the better player, but he also was the one that was easier to dispose of because Hinrich is almost impossible to trade.
Im tired of this conversation, the bulls went with Hinrich now get the hell over it and support the guy and stop weeping over the loss of Ben Gordon. My congrats go out to Hinrich,
and if Hinrich wasnt overpaid I would love to have him on our team.
Hinrich is not a bad player, and although he has always shot a low percentage, thats not as big as a deal as people make it because that is not why hes in the league. If he was a score first guy that would be a problem but he is on our team for playmaking and defence. I dont hear complaints about Brad Miller for not Blocking shots as a center. Hinrich is doing exactly what the bulls are asking him to do by playing good defence, distributing the ball, and hitting the three on occassion.
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The Gordon signing was NOT a good signing, no matter how you look at it...Dumars could have save that money for the FA class coming up...who knows what could have happened. Instead of Gordon and Charlie V, I would rather go for Rudy Gay and David Lee (both better players than Gordon and Charlie V. But no way signing a guy to a big contract like that and having him on the bench is justified.I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
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So many FA's lining up to go to scenic and beautiful detroit. I mean only Memphis can compare in its attractiveness. Who wouldn't want to live in a near bankrupt state with horrible weather and the highest unemployment in the country. I mean where else can you go buy a house for pocket change?
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Dpauley23 wrote:
Ben Gordon got what he's worth. Ben Gordon is getting 58 mil over 5 years, an average of 11.6 million. Monta Ellis, a similar player, gets 11 million a year from Golden State. Ben Gordon got what he's worth.Kush77 wrote:
Signing Gordon for 12 million was not good signing. Now if you got Gordon for 10 million then thats good signing, but in no way should you be paying Gordon near max money when he's number 3 option. He's one dimensional, which he is damn well good at, but that was bad move. As for the Pistons having to trade Billups I disagree. Who would you rather have Billups at 25 million or Ben+Charlie for 105 million. I rather have Billupshouheffna wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
I suppose if the question is - was he worth 58 million to the Pistons, then I would agree with you that he isn't considering they already had Hamilton and Stuckey.
But let's stop lumping him in with Charlie V. Charlie V has done nothing in his career to warrant the contract he got. Has CV ever even played in a playoff game in his career? Has he ever been the #1 option on a team?
Who would I rather have, Chauncey at 25 or BG/CV at 105? Well that wasn't the option Joe Dumars had. It wasn't give up Chauncey to get BG/CV. It was trade Chauncey to shake up a team that lost in the ECF 3 straight years. Then you could say Dumars misspent the cap space. I personally thought Dumars should have sat on the cap space this year then Detroit could have been a player in 2010 free agency. But I guess that money burnt a hole in Dumars' pocket.
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houheffna wrote:
I agree with what you said there Hou. I just wrote this in another post.The Gordon signing was NOT a good signing, no matter how you look at it...Dumars could have save that money for the FA class coming up...who knows what could have happened. Instead of Gordon and Charlie V, I would rather go for Rudy Gay and David Lee (both better players than Gordon and Charlie V. But no way signing a guy to a big contract like that and having him on the bench is justified.I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
I think, for Detroit, it was not a good signing. Considering they had Hamilton and Stuckey.
Where we probably disagree is how much BG was paid. I think he got what he's worth. You might disagree.
Dumars could have sat on the cap space. I agree 100%. Take your chances in 2010.
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I don't use that everytime, and I never said I didn't give a fat baby's d--- about Ben Gordon...not that I remember...I really don't but I never said it. I don't curse all the time on my posts, and I definitely don't call people out of their names...And Hou is profanity & emphatic delivery really necessary to make your point? I know you don't give "a fat baby's d-" about Ben but you don't have to use that EVERY time when making a point about anything. I gives me the impression your screaming at me through your computer like an internet gangsta.
I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO TYPE LIKE THIS TO SYMBOLIZE SCREAMING...I don't do that...his "eating and sleeping basketball" is what I don't want to hear about...because he eats it and sleeps it, don't mean he hasn't sucked at it this season...but I apologize if the statement offends you.
I don't crap on BG daily, once or twice a week is suffice, since I got crapped on so bad by people when I offered to pack his bags so that he can get the heck out of town fast. While he was here, I said he wasn't top 10 at his position...I am sticking to that. Of course Ben gravitates, its in the book of St. Ben....Common, it wouldn't be a normal day without Hou taking a crap on BG (Hows that for a diaper refernce?)in a kirk hinrich thread. Of course you don't shoot with your legs, you don't jump, run or walk with them either. St Ben gravitates on water, he has just robbed the undeserving pistons organization.
"And Ben walketh on water at will, he shooteth flawlessly at the basket, never missing, always working to perfect his game. And then Ben attaineth flawless basketball skills unlike any other shooting guard in history...and Ben saith 'Fucketh Kobe and Jordan, and fucketh defense, for I am flawless'"
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I don't care how unattractive Detroit is, when your two free agent signings you collectively spent 100 million on are playing less minutes than a second round draft pick and a guy you signed for the minimum, they're not good signings.
By the way, can we start calling Jerebko the "Duhon of Detroit"? How is that guy getting so many minutes?
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Shakes, I think it didn't quite go by play for them. CV needs to get his head on straight and Rip needs to be traded for a big.
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I'm sure the plan wasn't to suck. I'm just saying that if we have the sort of off-season results Detroit has had, then people (rightly) would be calling for heads to roll.
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I don't think that is the reason Gordon is not starting...Shakes, I think it didn't quite go by play for them. CV needs to get his head on straight and Rip needs to be traded for a big.
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Gordon's not starting because benching Rip would be a horrible strategic move. Not only would it blow any faint hope they have of building his trade value back up, it'd likely piss off both him and the fans.
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houheffna wrote:
Who else would start at SG if Rip were traded for a big?I don't think that is the reason Gordon is not starting...Shakes, I think it didn't quite go by play for them. CV needs to get his head on straight and Rip needs to be traded for a big.
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My point is if they were unable to trade Hamilton, he would still be starting over Gordon.
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Kush77 wrote:
You don't pay a one demionsal player 12 million even if he's damn good at it. As for Monta that's horrible example because plain and simple the guy is way overrated. Puts up tons of shots to put up his points. He's horrible also horrible efficency wise. Put it this way if Gordon got the same contract,but added another year which is basically Deng's contract. Would you say that's good contract. If you say that it is that's beyond crazy. You would be paying him to be your number 1 or 2 option when he's really should be the 3rd.Dpauley23 wrote:
Ben Gordon got what he's worth. Ben Gordon is getting 58 mil over 5 years, an average of 11.6 million. Monta Ellis, a similar player, gets 11 million a year from Golden State. Ben Gordon got what he's worth.Kush77 wrote:
Signing Gordon for 12 million was not good signing. Now if you got Gordon for 10 million then thats good signing, but in no way should you be paying Gordon near max money when he's number 3 option. He's one dimensional, which he is damn well good at, but that was bad move. As for the Pistons having to trade Billups I disagree. Who would you rather have Billups at 25 million or Ben+Charlie for 105 million. I rather have Billupshouheffna wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.
Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.
He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.
And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.
In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.
It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.
I suppose if the question is - was he worth 58 million to the Pistons, then I would agree with you that he isn't considering they already had Hamilton and Stuckey.
But let's stop lumping him in with Charlie V. Charlie V has done nothing in his career to warrant the contract he got. Has CV ever even played in a playoff game in his career? Has he ever been the #1 option on a team?
Who would I rather have, Chauncey at 25 or BG/CV at 105? Well that wasn't the option Joe Dumars had. It wasn't give up Chauncey to get BG/CV. It was trade Chauncey to shake up a team that lost in the ECF 3 straight years. Then you could say Dumars misspent the cap space. I personally thought Dumars should have sat on the cap space this year then Detroit could have been a player in 2010 free agency. But I guess that money burnt a hole in Dumars' pocket.
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Dpauley23 wrote:
Players than can score in this league get paid. Bottom line. Big men, even mediocre ones, get paid in this league. Bottom line.You don't pay a one demionsal player 12 million even if he's damn good at it. As for Monta that's horrible example because plain and simple the guy is way overrated. Puts up tons of shots to put up his points. He's horrible also horrible efficency wise. Put it this way if Gordon got the same contract,but added another year which is basically Deng's contract. Would you say that's good contract. If you say that it is that's beyond crazy. You would be paying him to be your number 1 or 2 option when he's really should be the 3rd.
Ben Gordon got what he's worth in this league. and average of 11.6 million. We keep saying 12 million. It isn't 12 million. It's an average of 11.6. This year he's making 10 million and the last year of the deal he'll make 13.2. But it's an average off 11.6 million.
you might think Ellis is overrated but the fact of the matter is he's a similar player to Gordon (production wise) and his deal helped set the market for scoring guards. I think Ben Gordon is better than Monta Ellis, thus I feel Ben Gordon's contract is what he's worth.
Now if you want to say that it was a bad deal for Detroit, then I would agree because they already had Hamilton/Stuckey.
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lol damn I literally laughed out loud!"And Ben walketh on water at will, he shooteth flawlessly at the basket, never missing, always working to perfect his game. And then Ben attaineth flawless basketball skills unlike any other shooting guard in history...and Ben saith 'Fucketh Kobe and Jordan, and fucketh defense, for I am flawless'"
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Charlie V didn't get number one option money. Ellis and Gordon are not similar...different levels of athleticism, different types of games...not similar...Ben Gordon got what he's worth. Ben Gordon is getting 58 mil over 5 years, an average of 11.6 million. Monta Ellis, a similar player, gets 11 million a year from Golden State. Ben Gordon got what he's worth.
I suppose if the question is - was he worth 58 million to the Pistons, then I would agree with you that he isn't considering they already had Hamilton and Stuckey.
But let's stop lumping him in with Charlie V. Charlie V has done nothing in his career to warrant the contract he got. Has CV ever even played in a playoff game in his career? Has he ever been the #1 option on a team?
Who would I rather have, Chauncey at 25 or BG/CV at 105? Well that wasn't the option Joe Dumars had. It wasn't give up Chauncey to get BG/CV. It was trade Chauncey to shake up a team that lost in the ECF 3 straight years. Then you could say Dumars misspent the cap space. I personally thought Dumars should have sat on the cap space this year then Detroit could have been a player in 2010 free agency. But I guess that money burnt a hole in Dumars' pocket.
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Kush77 wrote:
No it's bad contract. Sure guys get money, but when has it ever turn it out well for those guys. Gordon is not 12 million dollar plain and simple. I mean even Fred will admit that he's not 12 million dollar player. He's worth about 10 million.Dpauley23 wrote:
Players than can score in this league get paid. Bottom line. Big men, even mediocre ones, get paid in this league. Bottom line.You don't pay a one demionsal player 12 million even if he's damn good at it. As for Monta that's horrible example because plain and simple the guy is way overrated. Puts up tons of shots to put up his points. He's horrible also horrible efficency wise. Put it this way if Gordon got the same contract,but added another year which is basically Deng's contract. Would you say that's good contract. If you say that it is that's beyond crazy. You would be paying him to be your number 1 or 2 option when he's really should be the 3rd.
Ben Gordon got what he's worth in this league. and average of 11.6 million. We keep saying 12 million. It isn't 12 million. It's an average of 11.6. This year he's making 10 million and the last year of the deal he'll make 13.2. But it's an average off 11.6 million.
you might think Ellis is overrated but the fact of the matter is he's a similar player to Gordon (production wise) and his deal helped set the market for scoring guards. I think Ben Gordon is better than Monta Ellis, thus I feel Ben Gordon's contract is what he's worth.
Now if you want to say that it was a bad deal for Detroit, then I would agree because they already had Hamilton/Stuckey.
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Dpauley23 wrote:
Eh, what's another $2million in today's economy, right?Kush77 wrote:
No it's bad contract. Sure guys get money, but when has it ever turn it out well for those guys. Gordon is not 12 million dollar plain and simple. I mean even Fred will admit that he's not 12 million dollar player. He's worth about 10 million.Dpauley23 wrote:
Players than can score in this league get paid. Bottom line. Big men, even mediocre ones, get paid in this league. Bottom line.You don't pay a one demionsal player 12 million even if he's damn good at it. As for Monta that's horrible example because plain and simple the guy is way overrated. Puts up tons of shots to put up his points. He's horrible also horrible efficency wise. Put it this way if Gordon got the same contract,but added another year which is basically Deng's contract. Would you say that's good contract. If you say that it is that's beyond crazy. You would be paying him to be your number 1 or 2 option when he's really should be the 3rd.
Ben Gordon got what he's worth in this league. and average of 11.6 million. We keep saying 12 million. It isn't 12 million. It's an average of 11.6. This year he's making 10 million and the last year of the deal he'll make 13.2. But it's an average off 11.6 million.
you might think Ellis is overrated but the fact of the matter is he's a similar player to Gordon (production wise) and his deal helped set the market for scoring guards. I think Ben Gordon is better than Monta Ellis, thus I feel Ben Gordon's contract is what he's worth.
Now if you want to say that it was a bad deal for Detroit, then I would agree because they already had Hamilton/Stuckey.
I wouldn't say it's a bad signing because of the money. He got his market value even if it was overestimated. Kush is right. Scorers get paid in this league. Hell even worthless popsicle sticks like Chandler & Dalembert get paid in this league. Signing a good scorer like BG is not a bad thing but given the circumstances on the Detroit Pistons, already having a starting 2 guard signed to big money for the next 3 seasons who refused to come off the bench, it was definitely not a good signing at all & another example of how Dumars has been crap as a GM the last 3-4 seasons. Only way it would've been good is if Dumars was able to dump Rip on some team. But that didn't happen & he's basically relegated his once top tier team to the scrapheap of the league for years to come.
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Shakes wrote:
3 of the 4 top players for the Pistons have missed a combined 78 games:I'm sure the plan wasn't to suck. I'm just saying that if we have the sort of off-season results Detroit has had, then people (rightly) would be calling for heads to roll.
Hamilton 27 games
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T. Prince 32
Rose, Deng, Brad Miller, and Taj have played in every game. Noah has missed 8 games, and Hinrich only 7. We've had one significant injury, to Tyrus. This team has been remarkably healthy.
After 56 games, we have 8 more wins than the Pistons. If you reverse the injury situation, would we have a better record than the Pistons? Maybe.
We're better than the Pistons when both teams are at full strength. However, I believe the Pistons aren't as far away as you think once they can deal one of their guards for some frontcourt help. This year, They won't make the Playoffs for this first time since the 2001 season. But I have a lot more faith in the ability of Joe Dumars than I do in the group calling the shots for the Chicago Bulls.
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Fred, I'm not even talking about the Piston's record as such, as I'm talking about the fact they're paying 20 million a year to two guys who they aren't even starting. That's spectacularly bad management any way you look at it.
The Bulls have around the same money this off-season the Pistons did. If we spend it and don't get a starter out of the deal I will be livid. I really don't understand why everyone is OK with Dumars doing it just because he made a nice trade for Rasheed 6 years ago.
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