Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CHAP!

[mlewinth]

First, I would like to give a hearty congratulations to the great KIRK HINRICH, for being the new ALL-TIME leading Bull in three point shots made, taking over the spot previously held by Ben Gordon. I would just like to point something out.

- It took Kirk 2043 attempts to hit 773 three pointers, to beat Ben Gordon's record. That is a 37.8% clip, over 7 seasons.

- Ben Gordon, in this 5 seasons in Chicago had 771 three pointers in only 1856 attempts. That is a 41% clip.

Even Kirk downplayed his achievment:

"(The record) is just a tribute of being here so long (seven seasons).

"I don't feel like I shoot a lot of 3s; I just try to take them when they are available."


I just wanted to throw that out there....CONGRATS KIRK!

[clonetrooper264]

Why yes, Ben Gordon is a better 3 pt shooter than Kirk.

[the1andonly]

While it may have taken Kirk a few more shots to get there, on the other end of the
floor, Ben was giving up wide open shots. Kirk is in this league for several reasons.
One, he plays great defense and two, he can run the offense without the thought that
he has to shoot every time he touches the ball.
Congrats Kirk.

[pinkizdead]

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[pinkizdead]

the1andonly wrote:

While it may have taken Kirk a few more shots to get there, on the other end of the
floor, Ben was giving up wide open shots. Kirk is in this league for several reasons.
One, he plays great defense and two, he can run the offense without the thought that
he has to shoot every time he touches the ball.
Congrats Kirk.

welcome to the forum drone.

[Kush77]

the1andonly wrote:

While it may have taken Kirk a few more shots to get there, on the other end of the
floor, Ben was giving up wide open shots. Kirk is in this league for several reasons.
One, he plays great defense and two, he can run the offense without the thought that
he has to shoot every time he touches the ball.
Congrats Kirk.

Welcome to the boards!

I don't think anyone ever said Kirk shouldn't be in the league. I would take Ben Gordon still any day over Kirk. Even though Kirk's shooting has been good the last few games.

Basically people overrate Hinrich's defense and overrate Gordon's lack of defense.

And I don't think Gordon had to shoot everytime he touched the ball.

Shots per game in 08/09
Gordon 16
Rose 14.9
Salmons 13.4
Deng 12.1

Not sure how that translates into Gordon being a ballhog as folks like Neil Funk would have you believe.

Maybe if it was Gordon taking 19 shots and Rose was getting only 12 and everyone else under 10. But that seemes pretty balanced to me.

With that said, Hinrich is the 3-point chap as Mark calls him. So congrats to the chap!

[houheffna]

Welcome to the boards!

I don't think anyone ever said Kirk shouldn't be in the league. I would take Ben Gordon still any day over Kirk. Even though Kirk's shooting has been good the last few games.

Basically people overrate Hinrich's defense and overrate Gordon's lack of defense.

And I don't think Gordon had to shoot everytime he touched the ball.

Shots per game in 08/09
Gordon 16
Rose 14.9
Salmons 13.4
Deng 12.1

Not sure how that translates into Gordon being a ballhog as folks like Neil Funk would have you believe.

Maybe if it was Gordon taking 19 shots and Rose was getting only 12 and everyone else under 10. But that seemes pretty balanced to me.

With that said, Hinrich is the 3-point chap as Mark calls him. So congrats to the chap!

Amen Rev. Kush! I see St. Ben of UConn Sisters of the Poor Church is still open! Hallelujah! lol

[clonetrooper264]

pinkizdead wrote:

the1andonly wrote:

While it may have taken Kirk a few more shots to get there, on the other end of the
floor, Ben was giving up wide open shots. Kirk is in this league for several reasons.
One, he plays great defense and two, he can run the offense without the thought that
he has to shoot every time he touches the ball.
Congrats Kirk.

welcome to the forum drone.

Might be a little bit harsh on the guy's first post. I wouldn't call him a drone just yet...though he is failing to recognize Gordon's improvement from his rookie season on defense.

[TheStig]

Poor little oppressed kirk might get some more respect around here if he could use his grit and good work effort to muster up more than 10 or 11 ppg anytime during the last 3 years. Even without that his intangibles make up 110ppg.

[pinkizdead]

Admittedly, i might have ben a little harsh. For the record, i like kirk. i jiust want him a much smaller contract.

[Shakes]

You made a Kirk vs Ben comparison, you got a drone to respond. To rip off Sham's trade deadline article, "Congratulations, I guess."

FWIW, I don't think anyone reasonable is going to mistake Kirk for being a better shooter than Ben, anymore than anyone will think Kareem is a better scorer than MJ on the basis that he holds the points record. Volume records are about longevity, half the achievement is just sticking around for long enough to set them.

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

Welcome to the boards!

I don't think anyone ever said Kirk shouldn't be in the league. I would take Ben Gordon still any day over Kirk. Even though Kirk's shooting has been good the last few games.

Basically people overrate Hinrich's defense and overrate Gordon's lack of defense.

And I don't think Gordon had to shoot everytime he touched the ball.

Shots per game in 08/09
Gordon 16
Rose 14.9
Salmons 13.4
Deng 12.1

Not sure how that translates into Gordon being a ballhog as folks like Neil Funk would have you believe.

Maybe if it was Gordon taking 19 shots and Rose was getting only 12 and everyone else under 10. But that seemes pretty balanced to me.

With that said, Hinrich is the 3-point chap as Mark calls him. So congrats to the chap!

Amen Rev. Kush! I see St. Ben of UConn Sisters of the Poor Church is still open!
Hallelujah! lol

LOL. well I've tried to move past the Ben Gordon stuff, so it's more like the Church of Kirk Hinrich isn't as good as people think of Latter Day Saints.

[pinkizdead]

Everyone acts as if hinrich is the best defensive player of all time.

thebulls defense doesn't depend on hinrich. he's a scrappy player, but the bulls have a lot of good defenders on the team.


luol deng shuts down the top sf whenever the come over. melo an lebron have a hard time against deng. also ,he's a good rebounder. he's not that great on athletic smaller 3's, but pretty damn good against the top sfs in the game.

With that said, noah is the best defender on this team. i dont even need to make an argument.

[postdiction]

Ben Gordon = Not a Bull
Kirk = Currently a Bull

Ben Gordon = Lowest ppg of his career, .423 fg%, .307 3pt%
Ouch!

Good luck winning in Deeetroit BG your gonna need it.

Congrats Kirk job well done.

[Diddy1122]

postdiction wrote:

Ben Gordon = Not a Bull
Kirk = Currently a Bull

Ben Gordon = Lowest ppg of his career, .423 fg%, .307 3pt%
Ouch!

Good luck winning in Deeetroit BG your gonna need it.

Congrats Kirk job well done.

Even on a bum ankle for the majority of the year, with the lowest mpg since his rookie year, & coming off the bench, BG is still averaging more ppg & shooting a better percentage than Captain Scrapheap.

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

[postdiction]

Diddy1122 wrote:
[quote]postdiction wrote:

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

To be honest that thought has never crossed my mind.
I have worked paraplegics at Loyola hospital and victims of spinal cord injury at the Hines VA.

But it saddens me to know you think about these things.

God what has this world come to.

[Diddy1122]

postdiction wrote:
[quote]Diddy1122 wrote:

postdiction wrote:

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

To be honest that thought has never crossed my mind.
I have worked paraplegics at Loyola hospital and victims of spinal cord injury at the Hines VA.

But it saddens me to know you think about these things.

God what has this world come to.

Yea you discovered my secret. I'm the worse thing since Dahmer. I eat the stem cells from dead fetuses to improve my overall strength & agility, put cigarettes out on puppies faces, toss gerbils into garbage disposals, & spike drinking reservoirs with AIDS.

[postdiction]

Diddy1122 wrote:
[quote]postdiction wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

postdiction wrote:

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

To be honest that thought has never crossed my mind.
I have worked paraplegics at Loyola hospital and victims of spinal cord injury at the Hines VA.

But it saddens me to know you think about these things.

God what has this world come to.

Yea you discovered my secret. I'm the worse thing since Dahmer. I eat the stem cells from dead fetuses to improve my overall strength & agility, put cigarettes out on puppies faces, toss gerbils into garbage disposals, & spike drinking reservoirs with AIDS.

Then maybe you should keep the discussion to basketball instead of bring up other topics.

[TheStig]

pinkizdead wrote:

Everyone acts as if hinrich is the best defensive player of all time.

thebulls defense doesn't depend on hinrich. he's a scrappy player, but the bulls have a lot of good defenders on the team.


luol deng shuts down the top sf whenever the come over. melo an lebron have a hard time against deng. also ,he's a good rebounder. he's not that great on athletic smaller 3's, but pretty damn good against the top sfs in the game.

With that said, noah is the best defender on this team. i dont even need to make an argument.

I wouldn't call noah the best defender on the team. Kirk and Deng are better man defenders.

[houheffna]

Even on a bum ankle for the majority of the year, with the lowest mpg since his rookie year, & coming off the bench, BG is still averaging more ppg & shooting a better percentage than Captain Scrapheap.

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

BG's misfortune? He is making 12 million dollars! I take it you are joking...

[Shakes]

True, if Ben doesn't want the job then I'll sit on the Pistons bench and pretend I'm happy for Rip Hamilton for half the money.

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

Even on a bum ankle for the majority of the year, with the lowest mpg since his rookie year, & coming off the bench, BG is still averaging more ppg & shooting a better percentage than Captain Scrapheap.

Are you really getting that much enjoyment from BG's misfortune? Are you the type of person that tap dances in front of parapalegics too?

BG's misfortune? He is making 12 million dollars! I take it you are joking...

The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.

[houheffna]

The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.

I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

The guy eat, sleeps, & breathes basketball. Having an injury for the first time in his career is YES, unfortunate. Doesn't matter if he's making $12mill or $12,000, he wants to play & play at a top level. He's always been that way. I just don't get why someone would be happy about a player injury & his drop in production because of it. I think it's stupid. I hate KG & the Celtics, but I wasn't doing cartwheels when KG got a knee injury last year because it's always an unfortunate situation when an athlete can't compete in the sport they truly love.

I don't give a fat baby's d--- if he actually eats a damn basketball every day! His drop in production has nothing to do with his injury, his drop in production is because he is playing behind a better player, which is what I was telling people in preseason. Hamilton is playing good basketball right now and Gordon can't get off the bench, and most of the time when he does, he sucks...point blank. If you want to feel sorry for anyone, feel sorry for Pistons fans who watch Dumars trade away an allstar player for Charlie V and St. Ben of UConn, who combined aren't worth what Billups is worth...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Billups stayed on the Pistons they'd still be nowhere. They lost in the ECF with him for 3 straight years. The trade for Iverson was to shake things up and it needed to be done because that Pistons core was finished as far as winning championships.

Gordon was a good signing, Charlie V isn't because Charlie V has done nothing in his career to justify making that kind of money. Gordon has been productive on winning Bulls teams.

He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.

And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.

In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.

It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.

[Diddy1122]

Kush77 wrote:

He's having a bad shooting year, and if you think that has nothing to do with his injuries than your crazy. Early in the season, before the injuries he was putting up his typical numbers. since the injuries, not so much.

And looking at the numbers Rip Hamilton is averaging 3 more ppg on 4 and 1/2 more shots per game and with 6 more minutes played per game.

In this, Ben Gordon's worst FG shooting season, he's still shooting better than Rip from the field and will always shooter better from 3 than Rip, even in his sleep.

It's funny that fans are overreacting to his down numbers. Similar to how Bulls fans overreacted when his numbers went down in the 07/08 year. "Oh what a fool for not accepting that 5-year 50 million dollar deal" well he came back the next year and put up his usual numbers. I would expect him to do the same since he's only 26 and I highly doubt his career has started it's decline yet.

Thank You. Jump shooters like Ben rely on their legs, ALL of their legs, to be an effective shooter. And the way that Ben shoots, which is nearly a full jump while shooting, having an ankle injury heavily effects his shot. I don't even know how Hou can say injury has nothing to do with his production. That's just ridiculously naive.

And Hou is profanity & emphatic delivery really necessary to make your point? I know you don't give "a fat baby's d-" about Ben but you don't have to use that EVERY time when making a point about anything. I gives me the impression your screaming at me through your computer like an internet gangsta. :laugh: