Maddon created three runs yesterday

JP Hochbaum

Well-known member
Joined:
May 22, 2012
Posts:
2,012
Liked Posts:
1,281
If not for his call to do a hit and run, that grounder to second would have been out number 3.

So don't tell me he doesn't contribute to wins.

That is all.
 

ZAN

New member
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
1,286
Liked Posts:
356
Not that I disagree with your message. Maddon is awesome.

But Soler's ball was a base hit regardless of whether or not the man was in motion (Deschaies even said that).

Rizzo's double would have scored the runner standing on second and set up 2nd and 3rd regardless with 2 outs. Bryant's base knock drives in the 2 runs.
 

ZAN

New member
Joined:
Apr 18, 2010
Posts:
1,286
Liked Posts:
356
I love that I don't feel the need to get up from the couch and do some mundane house chore when the Cubs have 2 out and nobody on. I just know that whoever is up is going to work a deep count and if he gets on Maddon will have him movin.
 

TC in Mississippi

CCS Staff
Joined:
Oct 22, 2014
Posts:
5,305
Liked Posts:
1,815
JP Hochbaum said:
If not for his call to do a hit and run, that grounder to second would have been out number 3.

So don't tell me he doesn't contribute to wins.

That is all.
Click to expand...

Here's why I choose to not get involved in this argument, what you say is right but so is the counter argument that if Soler didn't hit the ball the runs wouldn't have scored. It's chicken and the egg with baseballs. The better viewpoint is how good Maddon is at putting his players in position to drive in and score runs. The players still have to execute. When you look at it that way you can't quantify how many wins Maddon contributes to. Basically either view is right so why have the discussion?
 

Parade_Rain

CCS Donator
Donator
Joined:
Aug 23, 2012
Posts:
9,995
Liked Posts:
3,630
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bulls
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Illinois Fighting Illini
TC in Mississippi said:
Here's why I choose to not get involved in this argument, what you say is right but so is the counter argument that if Soler didn't hit the ball the runs wouldn't have scored. It's chicken and the egg with baseballs. The better viewpoint is how good Maddon is at putting his players in position to drive in and score runs. The players still have to execute. When you look at it that way you can't quantify how many wins Maddon contributes to. Basically either view is right so why have the discussion?
Click to expand...
Because it's the internet and Brett05 likes to argue? :shrug: :D
 

TC in Mississippi

CCS Staff
Joined:
Oct 22, 2014
Posts:
5,305
Liked Posts:
1,815
Parade_Rain said:
Because it's the internet and Brett05 likes to argue? :shrug: :D
Click to expand...

Point. The whole thing gives me a headache. I'm glad Maddon is the manager, my eyes tell me he contributes to wins. I don't need stats or specific instances to do that. these guys believe they can win and that's a lot to do with him.
 
knoxville7

knoxville7

I have the stride of a gazelle
CCS Hall of Fame '22
Joined:
Jul 12, 2013
Posts:
16,687
Liked Posts:
13,162
Location:
The sewers
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bulls
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Tennessee Volunteers
TC in Mississippi said:
Point. The whole thing gives me a headache. I'm glad Maddon is the manager, my eyes tell me he contributes to wins. I don't need stats or specific instances to do that. these guys believe they can win and that's a lot to do with him.
Click to expand...

the good ole eye test....still the best way
 

JP Hochbaum

Well-known member
Joined:
May 22, 2012
Posts:
2,012
Liked Posts:
1,281
TC in Mississippi said:
Here's why I choose to not get involved in this argument, what you say is right but so is the counter argument that if Soler didn't hit the ball the runs wouldn't have scored. It's chicken and the egg with baseballs. The better viewpoint is how good Maddon is at putting his players in position to drive in and score runs. The players still have to execute. When you look at it that way you can't quantify how many wins Maddon contributes to. Basically either view is right so why have the discussion?
Click to expand...

I see it as "contributing" to a win, when a manager puts people in the right positions. We all know that managers help in that, I just don't get why we can't attempt to quantify that contribution to a win? Especially in an age of sabermetrics.
 

TL1961

Well-known member
Joined:
Apr 24, 2013
Posts:
32,473
Liked Posts:
18,918
My thought son Maddon:

I was thrilled when we signed him, and I am very glad we have him.

I am not one who overlooks all his moves and pretends everything is great. He has made late inning moves that were, frankly, very stupid.

But here is one thing my eyes see: The Cubs are doing things now that they haven't done forever. They work the count. They take walks. They take the extra base. Constantly.

I love it. What's next? Throwing out runners at home and/or hitting the cutoff man? Like real teams do?

This team is playing fundamental baseball like we haven't seen in a long, long time. Not a lot of talk in spring training about "we're going to do this. We're going to do that." They just DO it. What a relief.
 
Mr. Cub

Mr. Cub

2016 World Series Champs!
Joined:
Dec 13, 2010
Posts:
4,857
Liked Posts:
1,039
Location:
Earth
It's also cool to see how aggressive we are at stealing bases. Fowler and Rizzo each have 6 and there's been like 3 double steals already. It's great. And the 2 out hitting is insane right now.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

10,878members
92,994threads
4,372,071posts
717online users

Members online NOW

  • Member
  • Admin
  • Mod
  • Donor
  • HOF
Total: 717 (members: 40, guests: 677)

Staff online NOW

Top