PATs moved to 15 yard line

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Maybe the rule should be only the PATs need to take extra points on the 15 yard line for a punishment.
 

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I think that's actually the opposite of what they're going for. This move should influence teams go for 2 more than 1.

I think that was the intention and why they considered moving it closer as well.
 

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It's kinda lame that it eliminates fakes and the coaches ability to make a team think they're going for less surprisingly as it'll be clear if they're going for it now by the interaction with dealing with the Umpire placing the ball.

Dumb. The PAT was fine the way it was. The threat of the fake is gone. Defenses still won't try as hard unless it's a close game.

With all the effort it takes to score a TD, why does the point after have to be more difficult? It's a stupid rule change, and it annoys me that it essentially eliminates the faked XP. The return for 2, however, should've been changed years ago.

Did that really happen that often?
 

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Did that really happen that often?

NOPE :woot:

But... I like it

And for some reason last week NFL Network had a 1994?95? Matchup of Pittsburgh vs Chicago on with Erik Kramer gunslinging. And at a point late in the game with time close to out, Steelers scored a TD going up and Cowher put his offense out there for the conversion which caught Wanny offguard and wasted one of the TOs. I don't think that element of the game will occur so much anymore with there being a clear distinction needing to be had among teams lineing up for the official to spot the ball properly. It's eliminating some, not frequently, but occasional coach trickery from the game. While the gamble to go for 2 is there more often, I suppose it's just.

I do wonder if with this setup, we'll have a case made by data suggesting that always going for 2 is statistically a better scenario for victory just like always going for 4th n shorts technically is.
 

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NOPE :woot:

But... I like it

And for some reason last week NFL Network had a 1994?95? Matchup of Pittsburgh vs Chicago on with Erik Kramer gunslinging. And at a point late in the game with time close to out, Steelers scored a TD going up and Cowher put his offense out there for the conversion which caught Wanny offguard and wasted one of the TOs. I don't think that element of the game will occur so much anymore with there being a clear distinction needing to be had among teams lineing up for the official to spot the ball properly.

Ok, just seeing multiple people say the same thing it made me think it happened more than I thought. So taking away an element that rarely if ever gets used really isn't that big of a deal in my eyes
 

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you know, we routinely compare today's game and how weak it is compared to the 80s and especially the 70s, but the rate of the bullshit rule changes, the game is virtually unrecognizable to what it was even 5 years ago.

does the league seriously have a quota for how many rules it needs to change annually or something?

Yeah, it's gotten a bit ridiculous. It's like every year these shitheads get together and want to drastically change shit. I dunno, whatever.

If anything, they should put an emphasis on returning some balance to the game. There is just too much passing in this league now imo.
 

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Yeah, it's gotten a bit ridiculous. It's like every year these shitheads get together and want to drastically change shit. I dunno, whatever.

If anything, they should put an emphasis on returning some balance to the game. There is just too much passing in this league now imo.

Well that's not happening. I for years have wished they would undo the illegal contact of WRs rule, but just last year they strengthened the rule because oh no Seattle won by being physical in the secondary, let's lessen the ability to do that.

I don't really care that much about this rule change, it just shifts some gamesmenship but it also seems so odd to have to see how the Refs interact. Do you have to tell the refs right away you want to put the ball there or there? Seems like it may also slow the game down a bit. Not a lot but perhaps like 10 seconds per TD, if the league opens up more TDs though that happens even more.
 

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I think the rule change was fine. The PATs were a waste of time. So either make a TD worth 7 or move the line of scrimmage. It might make more teams go for two. I sort of doubt it but at lease the PAT won't be automatic.
 

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This is what I would do.

After a touchdown, you get to choose where you want to kick from. If you kick from the 10, it is worth 1. If you kick from the 20, it is worth 2. If you kick from the 30, it is worth 3. If you kick from the 40, it is worth 4. If you kick from the 50, it is worth 5. Here is the catch. If you miss the kick, the points you would have gotten, get taken off the board. So it is double or nothing!
 

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Well that's not happening. I for years have wished they would undo the illegal contact of WRs rule, but just last year they strengthened the rule because oh no Seattle won by being physical in the secondary, let's lessen the ability to do that.

I can't wait for the NFL in 2020, where it's 5 wides every down!
 

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what's going to suck is when a team stages a dramatic comeback and loses because their kicker misses an extra point. it such a small change that's going to change the nature of the game for no apparent reason and puts more emphasis on kickers which is Special person.

again, should have just made a touchdown 7 or 6 with a chance for two. simple. there's no reason to complicate things like this.
 

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This is what I would do.

After a touchdown, you get to choose where you want to kick from. If you kick from the 10, it is worth 1. If you kick from the 20, it is worth 2. If you kick from the 30, it is worth 3. If you kick from the 40, it is worth 4. If you kick from the 50, it is worth 5. Here is the catch. If you miss the kick, the points you would have gotten, get taken off the board. So it is double or nothing!

yeah, why not just alter the entire nature of scoring? let's make touchdowns more then 40 yards worth 9 points, and more then 60 yards worth 11! let's just throw it all to the wind. i mean, clearly the NFL is struggling for a foothold in the competitive sports market and should be changing things up. clearly isn't working the way it is.
 

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what's going to suck is when a team stages a dramatic comeback and loses because their kicker misses an extra point. it such a small change that's going to change the nature of the game for no apparent reason and puts more emphasis on kickers which is Special person.

again, should have just made a touchdown 7 or 6 with a chance for two. simple. there's no reason to complicate things like this.

I think there's an argument to be made that it's a way to make the kicking game more relevant when lately, special teams have been neglected. The kickoff is already slowly being shown the door. It wouldn't be a surprise if in 10 years from now in 2025, there is no kickoff anymore.

Kickers are making field goals at ridiculous rates. Having an "elite" kicker no longer means anything, because they're not even that much better than most of the rest of the first string kickers. It's a way to increase action by making the 2 point conversion look more appealing, while making the great kickers in the NFL a little bit more valuable.
 

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what's going to suck is when a team stages a dramatic comeback and loses because their kicker misses an extra point. it such a small change that's going to change the nature of the game for no apparent reason and puts more emphasis on kickers which is Special person.

again, should have just made a touchdown 7 or 6 with a chance for two. simple. there's no reason to complicate things like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGco82JKHo
 

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Did that really happen that often?

Not really, and it seems a lot of the time it did it was because the other team lazily defended the XP and the holder went on his own. I hate change for the sake of change. This makes the game better in no way.
 

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If you don't like the idea of the Extra Points, have a little research into Tottenham Hotspur and the ideals that the NFL and Spurs have discussed about future games being played at other than Wembley stadium.

:)
 

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what's going to suck is when a team stages a dramatic comeback and loses because their kicker misses an extra point. it such a small change that's going to change the nature of the game for no apparent reason and puts more emphasis on kickers which is Special person.

again, should have just made a touchdown 7 or 6 with a chance for two. simple. there's no reason to complicate things like this.
Yeah but then the NFL would miss out on that chance to shove another set of commercials down our throats after the touchdown but before the PAT.
 

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Just crazy that you can be kicking a 43 yard field goal with a holding call or 48 yarder with a personal foul.

So my question is if you get that personal foul can you change your mind and go for 2 from the 17?
 

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