IGT: Suns vs BULLS Wednesday Nov 18 @ 9:30pm on CSN

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snell is just terrible though on both sides of the court
Snell is leaps and bounds ahead of Doug on defense. Let's not get crazy here. He's not amazing by any means, but he's at least serviceable defensively. Offensively he's kind of ok in the pick and roll game and at one point was hitting 48% of his 3s. That's at least a step above terrible to me.
 

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well which is it moron??

its both dunderhead. So are those guys.

Its also indicative of where Rose is right now with the facial double injury shit (which I don't fully buy and think might be bullshit), but I do buy that he needs time to get right.

When right, as good as those guys are, with proper coaching Rose can be better than both at leading his team efficiently come playoff time, which we are probably in while Phoenix will be playing Gladiator for the 8th spot.
 

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Maybe watching Curry sink off balance impatient 3's from 30 feet before your team is in rebound position will help teach Mitotic that that isn't him, or his job.
 

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Maybe watching Curry sink off balance impatient 3's from 30 feet before your team is in rebound position will help teach Mitotic that that isn't him, or his job.
Or he'll continue to think that he can do the same thing and nothing will change :(
 

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I'm not sure we can. It used to be Gragic powered 6 of the 8 Phoenix Cylinders, or maybe 4 or the 6 is a better metaphor, but without Rose I do not like the way we matchup with Phoenix backcourt. Bledsoe/Knight is nasty.

Thats two point guards who have not accomplished what Rose has in his career, but if I had to rank them right now today....(not 6 months from now), but today rank these guards.

1. Knight 2.Bledsoe 3. Rose

Now I am severely disappointed in several of you, and its part of why I am breaking my fast to log in today and write. I just can't believe how down some are on this Bulls team. I don't understand the need to poo poo their 7-3 start where they have struggled at times.

Look at the standings, that is good for 4th in the NBA and we haven't come anywhere close to playing our best basketball yet. Rose is clearly not yet confident in his body, he just doesn't look like he knows how to condition either now that he isn't 23 and full of testosterone and automatic fitness. He is going to have to learn, but I can live with it for now because he will play himself into basketball shape as the season progresses and begin to trust his body.

Gasol is out of sync because we do not get him the ball in great spots. We aren't making any easy plays for him, and that falls on Rose. Its a long season, which Hoiberg understands as well as any coach, and about 10x better than Thibs. Is Hoiberg the right guy for this team? I don't know, but he isn't bad and I KNOW Thibs was not any longer.

I may have gone with a Gundy personally, or gotten Rose a PG savant like Mark Jackson, but I loved Hoiberg at Iowa State and he is right in that upper eschalon of top candidates, he just isn't the "safe" pick. Its a risk taking a first year NBA coach.

He has a massive roster to master, and many old and young moving parts to figure out how to play together. This is a huge challenge to sift out the best 9 guys the Bulls want to roll into 2016 with.

I don't think all the pieces are on the roster, changes will be made, this is a work in progress and we have a ton of clay. Lets be patient and see what we are at the Christmas game, and assess again at the trade deadline.

7-3 might be a little kind for how we played, but we did it playing 12 guys deep many minutes, without our top guys playing great other than Jimmy, and we have a top 5 core in the NBA along with a bunch of tradable assets to trim down. Our window is not that long anymore with the Rose/Gasol situations, but believe me we are well in the window and should be part of the championship discussions THIS YEAR. !! THIS YEAR!!

and some of you act like we are trash, our bench is trash, and we suck, and Rose is done.

I just don't get what is wrong with you. Rose is awesome, he is our only hope. Unless you can trade for one of these two guards we see tonight I just don't know how you think you could replace the upside of Rose. We don't need to dog Rose and run him out of town, we need to build him up and be patient while he begins to trust his body. He turned it up in the playoffs last year, he will surely do the same. The guy competes when it matters and has at every level. He is in a crisis, he needs our support not attacks. Its disgusting.

That all said to insulate you from your reactions over the next two games. I hope we beat Phoenix, I think maybe its interesting to see our front court possibly give Golden State some trouble and see if they are vulnerable if they play Bogut more.

Without rose...the next two games are going to be very tough. They would have been tough losses in all liklihood WITH Rose. We saw our slow footed front court struggle against Phoenix some last year.

So the styles we are about to see are not great match-ups to take our barometric pressure against. We are going to get run out of a couple road buildings, McBuckets/Mirotic, Hinrich, Gasol, Moore, Gibson, Noah.

That is a lot of slow feet guys. These offenses we are about to face are not joking around. We are going to have to shoot amazing on the road to hang.

We need Brooks big time in the next two games. I would start him against Knight and not captain Kirk who is too old to face the guard onslaught we are about to step into this week.

I see all this ahead of time but I am not panicked because I see a lot else that makes me believe we will have our chance at the end of the year and be one of the final 4 standing in the Conference Championship games. At that point we may need a "little luck" from opponent injuries, or the MVP caliber Rose to show up.

But its possible.

I know that was long winded, but for every 3 sentence breath you fuckers waste bashing this very good team you accumulate a body of pointless work repeated the same tired bullshit and tired hate that adds nothing correct or positive to any discussion.

tirade not directed at scoot

But to scoot and my quoted comment, Cover.com matchups has Rose listed at not playing tonight.

Much Rask... very wow

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its both dunderhead. So are those guys.

Its also indicative of where Rose is right now with the facial double injury shit (which I don't fully buy and think might be bullshit), but I do buy that he needs time to get right.

When right, as good as those guys are, with proper coaching Rose can be better than both at leading his team efficiently come playoff time, which we are probably in while Phoenix will be playing Gladiator for the 8th spot.

so is rose our savior or not? previously you said he is, yet you have him ranked behind Bledsoe and knight, which would mean you must have him behind a ton of PG's in the league. so how can a guy that you think to be way down the PG rankings be our hope?? I guess we are hopeless then. your post was just one contradiction after another
 

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Snell is leaps and bounds ahead of Doug on defense. Let's not get crazy here. He's not amazing by any means, but he's at least serviceable defensively. Offensively he's kind of ok in the pick and roll game and at one point was hitting 48% of his 3s. That's at least a step above terrible to me.

I think ive mentioned before how IMO snells defense is highly overrated. just because he has a great wingspan does not = solid defender. he never seems to know where to be on the court at a given time. yes, his 3 point shot is decent, but dougies is better obviously. plus, snell on offense just hangs around the line and doesn't move, he doesn't take advantage of the athleticism he has
 

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I think ive mentioned before how IMO snells defense is highly overrated. just because he has a great wingspan does not = solid defender. he never seems to know where to be on the court at a given time. yes, his 3 point shot is decent, but dougies is better obviously. plus, snell on offense just hangs around the line and doesn't move, he doesn't take advantage of the athleticism he has
Perhaps your standards for Snell's defense are higher than mine. From what I see he generally moves his feet well on the ball and while wingspan doesn't automatically make you anything defensively, I feel he does use his length well to contest shots and poke at the ball every now and then. He's not a defensive stopper or anything, but he's decent. At least average imo.

And yes, he's not as good a shooter as Doug, but as a 3&D guy, he works.

All that said, I do think Doug works best with the starters because he can get the best looks from 3 that way so I like seeing him start over Snell. This is a game where I would start Doug over Snell because he wouldn't get torched defensively by PJ Tucker. Let Snell handle TJ Warren, who I believe operates as their 6th man scorer type, off the bench. It just makes sense that way to me.
 

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Much Rask... very wow

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sorry, its a bit to sober like myself right now but I tried to bring some perspective to what we are and what we can be.
 

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so is rose our savior or not? previously you said he is, yet you have him ranked behind Bledsoe and knight, which would mean you must have him behind a ton of PG's in the league. so how can a guy that you think to be way down the PG rankings be our hope?? I guess we are hopeless then. your post was just one contradiction after another

Well...I have them all as top 15 point guards in the league. I recognize Rose's upside. Knight is considered by many experts the guy that should be in top 10 PG discussion but is often left out.

Personally I always thought Bledsoe was much better than the playing time he got. I could be wrong but I think I remember him being a treat to watch at Villanova, and then stuck behind Chris Paul, and then bounced somewhere before Phoenix. But I rate his ability and impact pretty high too. He plays smarter than our Rose, but isn't an MVP caliber talent.

I'm just saying be patient with Rose, particularly until we have an opportunity to acquire a young top 15 point guard to be a different type of team. Until that happens we need to be Rose's team when it matters, not Jimmy's team. Not Gasol's team. rose needs to run the show. Thats what we are. Thats what we are built for. If Rose does his job, the rest can do theirs.

It is what it is...its worrisome. But Rose is our best chance at a championship we are likely to see for a decade. It isn't easy to find a complete PG. Rose can be better, he will be better. Give him time.

I'm open to the discussion that a change of scenery might be best for both parties, but I would be just as worried that a Ty Lawson, Bledsoe, or that type of caliber veteran PG we are likely to acquire would not be able to do anything significant with this roster.

Rose has a ton of untapped potential right now, and our best course is to let his vision come back, let his shot develop, let the trust in his body grow to the point that come playoffs he can give Chicago everything he has left for a final run or two at things the next two years.

Let it play out, no need to keep bashing him. Patience is all I am asking for.
 

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Snell is a decent backup.

McDermott is a below average starter because of defense issues and phrenetic energy that is not calming to his teammates on either end. His upside is high and he needs time to get stronger and develop his defense and instincts. He is already a great guy to bring off the bench, and if we keep him around he will be ready to start when Dunleavy's time to be put to pasture arrives.

Partly McBuckets compounds the issues Mitotic-Gasol already have.

Pair Doug with Brooks to come off the bench and shoot the pants off your opponents bench and he will be a nice asset.

I'm convinced that Gay is the player we need as he adds a different type of defense at the 3 as well as allows for us to go small ball 4 with Dougie.
 

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I think Doug is a pretty ok post defender though for whatever that's worth. At the very least, it looks much better than his perimeter d. Makes sense seeing as he was a stretch 4 in college.
 

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Complaining about Doug and Snell?

For both situations, contracts, place in their career, roles on this roster.... I think we're pretty okay. They aren't all-NBA team players, so what? They're both getting better. Neither has peaked. If either or both peaked, then yeah, they're disappointing. It takes years.
 

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Complaining about Doug and Snell?

For both situations, contracts, place in their career, roles on this roster.... I think we're pretty okay. They aren't all-NBA team players, so what? They're both getting better. Neither has peaked. If either or both peaked, then yeah, they're disappointing. It takes years.
NO CRYS EVERYONE HAS TO BE GOOD RIGHT NOW :kermit:
 

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NO CRYS EVERYONE HAS TO BE GOOD RIGHT NOW :kermit:

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ive got Native blood so i can't make fun of my people
I know its a casino... Just can't believe they let them call the stadium that as far as the naming rights. Puts the Smoothie King Arena to shame.
 

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so Rose isn't playing? what happened to it being nothing?

man i hate this team
 
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