How the Bears get Von Miller

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How we get Von Miller?


Allow the D coaches (Fangio) and Pace to identify and draft a talented player with Von's physical base and grow him into that player.

Fangio should be given a lot more slack next year in influencing the draft given we spent3 of our first 4 on O players this year and he was stuck with Shame, Allen and Jones...
 

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Fangio should have input on defensive players the Bears are looking at but he should not have an influence on the draft itself. BPA is the way to go.
 

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I love the effort and explanation Windy but I don't think it would be worth it. I'm not sure Miller would be the fix for the defense. I think the smarter option would be to get a couple of good starters on the DL and LB group
 

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Fangio should have input on defensive players the Bears are looking at but he should not have an influence on the draft itself. BPA is the way to go.

I agree with you on BPA but to a point.
Rds 1-2 for sure, but after that, it's debatable on BPA. If you have a need at a certain position that wasn't the BPA in your first 2 pics, then I believe you should draft by position rds 3-7.
 

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I agree with you on BPA but to a point.
Rds 1-2 for sure, but after that, it's debatable on BPA. If you have a need at a certain position that wasn't the BPA in your first 2 pics, then I believe you should draft by position rds 3-7.

The whole draft is a crap shoot. I think you have to draft a player in each round that you believe will be successful in the NFL, regardless of position. Sometimes it's really close and in that case, you go with the position of need. But really in the mid-late rounds, there's usually only a handful of long term starters. It's very difficult to project, but say if in round 4, you really need a CB or defensive player, but you think there's an offensive player who could actually be a starter then I think you have to go offense. I'm obviously no GM or scout so I'm just really bullshitting.
 

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How the Bears get Von Miller

The Broncos are loaded with free agents who are going to hit the market, Malik Jackson, Derek Wolfe, Danny Trevathan, Brandon marshall [RFA], and Ronnie Hillman. But the 2 most important free agents are QB Brock Osweiler and OLB Von Miller.

Many have assumed that it is a no-brainer that Von Miller would be franchise tagged, but the recent strong play of QB Brock Osweiler and the absolute lack of quality NFL QBs may change plans drastically. Osweiler is set to become and UFA and one could assume that many teams will be lining up to possibly sign him. The number of suitors will only be increased by a pretty weak QB draft class. One can only assume that Cleveland, St. Louis, San Francisco, and Houston would be lining up to upgrade to Osweiler.

This may force the Broncos to franchise tag Osweiler to keep him.

If Osweiler is franchise tagged it would open the door for the Bears and they have a number of factors that could make them a super attractive landing spot.

-Von Miller apparently has a close relationship with Jon Fox who drafted him. Hub Arkush speculated that they would both have interest in re-uniting.

-The Bears will have upwards of 70 million in cap space. Even after cutting Ware and Manning the Broncos would be lucky to get to 30. The Bears could offer Miller a deal that is so front loaded Denver simply could not afford to match it.

-The Bears have very few draft picks to re-sign over the next 4 years, with Jeffery and Long being the only must re-signs, which means they have the flexibility to adsorb a massive deal until Pace's draft classes start to come to free agency. The Bears have a 3 year window to spend.

-The Broncos could potentially keep 3-4 other starters on defense for the 16-18 annually that Miller will make.


The Bears could make Von Miller the highest paid defensive player of all time and structure it to eat most of the money early in the deal, which protects them long term and makes it very difficult for Denver to match the first 3 year pay out.

OLB Von Miller [Denver] 6 years 114.5 million/60 guaranteed

Year 1: 10 million base/15 guaranteed [25] Denver simply cannot afford to pay him this much, his first year salary would need to be 15 million less.

Year 2: 10 million base/15 guaranteed [25] The Bears will enter the 2017 offseason needing to extend Long and no one else of note. Miller has already put 50 million in the bank.

Year 3: 5 million base/10 guaranteed [15]
Year 4: 5 million base/10 guaranteed [15]
Year 5: 12 million base/5 guaranteed [17]
Year 6: 12.5 million base/5 guaranteed [17.5]​
If they cut Manning, they have enough to sign Ozweirder to a long term deal and franchise Miller. Plus, imo we won't be in the market for an OLBer. McPhee, Young and Houston fill that need. Now 5 tech and ILB will be targeted. But i see two coming from the draft and one in free agency. Shea or someone else. SS and CB both could be filled by a lower tier free agents or draft picks. RG could also be a free agent but probably a draft pick.

My guess, we'll sign a FA ILB, could be Shea, and resign CB Porter, and maybe a RG. Probably draft a 5 tech, ILB and SS early and late round picks at KR, oline OG/OT, CB and SS.

I'm thinking Pace is still going to build from the draft and not spend the money on a CB or OLB. Just a hunch given Fuller, Porter, Young and Houston's play of late.

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Give me Malik Jackson, Danny Trevathan, and Trumaine Johnson instead than just Von Miller in FA. Then, in the draft, give me Reggie Ragland in the 1st and Noah Spence in the 2nd.

Whether it is Von Miller or not, the Bears really need a top notch pass rushing LB/DE. Von Miller is in the top 3-4 most dominant defensive players in the league and he could sure upgrade the Bears defense significantly.
 

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that would be a huge upgrade at olb I would love to see him in a bears uniform and then draft Jaylen Smith you would have two freaks that could play either position and offenses would have trouble for sure. but I wouldn't pay that much if he becomes a UFA fangio has proven he can get the most out of average talent so as much as I would love Miller to be a bear next year I don't see pace paying over 100 mil for him just too much
 

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Von Miller is a great pass rusher, but that's starting QB money. As a defender, I think everyone would agree that JJ Watt is better than Von Miller. He got 6-years, 100 million. That's an average of 2.4 million less per year than what you're projecting the Bears will offer Von. I'd hope the Bears wouldn't make that mistake.
 

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The only reason I have any hope is the same scenario played out with Peppers. No one expected us to land him, but the chips all fell in place. That being said would you rather have Miller of Berry and Trevethan? I love Von, but passing up and elite S and ILB for a often troubled OLB is a tough call for me.
 

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Berry and Trevathan without question.
 

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If they cut Manning, they have enough to sign Ozweirder to a long term deal and franchise Miller. Plus, imo we won't be in the market for an OLBer. McPhee, Young and Houston fill that need. Now 5 tech and ILB will be targeted. But i see two coming from the draft and one in free agency. Shea or someone else. SS and CB both could be filled by a lower tier free agents or draft picks. RG could also be a free agent but probably a draft pick.

My guess, we'll sign a FA ILB, could be Shea, and resign CB Porter, and maybe a RG. Probably draft a 5 tech, ILB and SS early and late round picks at KR, oline OG/OT, CB and SS.

I'm thinking Pace is still going to build from the draft and not spend the money on a CB or OLB. Just a hunch given Fuller, Porter, Young and Houston's play of late.

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This is probably the most I have ever agreed with anything you have posted. Not that you are bad as you add to most topics you post on, but we typically have differing philosophies/view points. I love Miller (I'm an Aggie as well) but he's a knucklehead off the field and if I'm spending that much scratch it better be a on a no issues type guy.
 

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As awesome as Miller is, I don't know if I pay him top WR money. KC faceraped themselves paying Houston (he's averaging 19.5 against the cap over the next 5 years), and I don't know if I want to follow their lead.

Edit: if we really are discussing how to get him I'd suggest the Lovie approach: show up at his doorstep the minute FA opens and offer some head/lots of high end "escorts." It worked for Pep, right?
 

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Miller isn't worth that kind of money. Bears have more holes to fill and could get a couple of premier players for that type of $$$
 

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The Bears are obviously going to sign some people this year as they have to much cap. But last season we didn't make a major signing, with McPhee as a second tier guy being our top signing. There was also Rolle, McDonald, and Royal. We might just sign a bunch of guys in those tiers instead, though this might give us an idea of what to expect going forward from the organization if they avoid the giant signing even with this much cap.
 

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As awesome as Miller is, I don't know if I pay him top WR money. KC faceraped themselves paying Houston (he's averaging 19.5 against the cap over the next 5 years), and I don't know if I want to follow their lead.

Edit: if we really are discussing how to get him I'd suggest the Lovie approach: show up at his doorstep the minute FA opens and offer some head/lots of high end "escorts." It worked for Pep, right?


Da fuck? Is that why the players love Lovie?
 

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How the Bears get Von Miller

The Broncos are loaded with free agents who are going to hit the market, Malik Jackson, Derek Wolfe, Danny Trevathan, Brandon marshall [RFA], and Ronnie Hillman. But the 2 most important free agents are QB Brock Osweiler and OLB Von Miller.

Many have assumed that it is a no-brainer that Von Miller would be franchise tagged, but the recent strong play of QB Brock Osweiler and the absolute lack of quality NFL QBs may change plans drastically. Osweiler is set to become and UFA and one could assume that many teams will be lining up to possibly sign him. The number of suitors will only be increased by a pretty weak QB draft class. One can only assume that Cleveland, St. Louis, San Francisco, and Houston would be lining up to upgrade to Osweiler.

This may force the Broncos to franchise tag Osweiler to keep him.

If Osweiler is franchise tagged it would open the door for the Bears and they have a number of factors that could make them a super attractive landing spot.

-Von Miller apparently has a close relationship with Jon Fox who drafted him. Hub Arkush speculated that they would both have interest in re-uniting.

-The Bears will have upwards of 70 million in cap space. Even after cutting Ware and Manning the Broncos would be lucky to get to 30. The Bears could offer Miller a deal that is so front loaded Denver simply could not afford to match it.

-The Bears have very few draft picks to re-sign over the next 4 years, with Jeffery and Long being the only must re-signs, which means they have the flexibility to adsorb a massive deal until Pace's draft classes start to come to free agency. The Bears have a 3 year window to spend.

-The Broncos could potentially keep 3-4 other starters on defense for the 16-18 annually that Miller will make.


The Bears could make Von Miller the highest paid defensive player of all time and structure it to eat most of the money early in the deal, which protects them long term and makes it very difficult for Denver to match the first 3 year pay out.

OLB Von Miller [Denver] 6 years 114.5 million/60 guaranteed

Year 1: 10 million base/15 guaranteed [25] Denver simply cannot afford to pay him this much, his first year salary would need to be 15 million less.

Year 2: 10 million base/15 guaranteed [25] The Bears will enter the 2017 offseason needing to extend Long and no one else of note. Miller has already put 50 million in the bank.

Year 3: 5 million base/10 guaranteed [15]
Year 4: 5 million base/10 guaranteed [15]
Year 5: 12 million base/5 guaranteed [17]
Year 6: 12.5 million base/5 guaranteed [17.5]​

Thanks Windy.

As great as it sounds and probably would be to have Von Miller lining up opposite McPhee I don't think it is worth it for the Bears to make him the most expensive defensive player in the League.

Firstly he's not JJ Watt and I am not convinced he's Justin Houston either. For sure he's one of the best OLBs out there but I think under the guidance and coaching of Fangio the Bears would do better to improve the personal in 3 or 4 different areas of their defence than spend it pretty much all on one player. I know that Von Miller would make the whole defence better because of the pressure he gets but if he went down injured it would be such a waste. Also his past indiscretions seem a little out of sync with what the Bears are trying to build.

An alternative: - Wolfe (DE), Johnson (CB), Gipson (FS), Trevathan (ILB), McCray (OLB), Leary (RG)

re-sign Porter (maybe McClellin), and release Bushrod, Rolle and don't re-sign Acho

* personally I'd go all out and get Massie instead of Leary but that's just me and I am trying to not be too unrealistic.

Keep faith with Houston and Young who are slowly building up steam and try and draft another OLB worthy of our pick in the draft. Someone like Calhoun or Ogbah who've you suggested in the past.
 

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Woah, easy there fella. Similar as in skillset, not Elite Allpro passrushing status. Millers going to get a Peppers like contract for his 14 sacks a year. Pace isn't giving that.

Like who? I agree with you about not getting Miller though.
 

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I do not think it will happen.

I would like to draft the talent on the team, but the Bears, despite the positive season, need to add more talent. Free agency needs to be used this year to fill some gaps, because the Bears could legitimately be a playoff team next season.
 

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If Miller becomes available I would hope Pace stays away. He's a great talent but the juice ain't worth the squeeze. Having one stud eating up a ton of salary on the D is not what successful teams do.
Besides the Pats one year rental of Revis, I can't think of another top flight defensive free agent that helped a team to a championship.
 

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