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I realize that but to get the whole picture on which players are from whom the rest really should be there imo.
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The dude abides. I just think two years is too small of a time frame to judge a GM.
That being said, the past is the past, and I like what Pace is doing so far.
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Very true. Racerboy still thinks bringing in and drafting 4 pro bowlers Alshon Long Bushrod Bennett, along with studs like Slauson Young Houston and promising Fuller Wilson Leno Miller equals a fail grade lol.....but then again, he thought the bust Kaep was the 2nd coming:cubspalm:......and the other bust Gabbert is outplaying him:lmao:
I'm just glad we have decent young talent to make a run sooner rather than later and give the negative and flat out wrong pundits a healthy serving of crow
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We're talking about the guy who hired a CFL coach who had been out of the N.F.L. for 7 years over the reigning coach of the year Bruce Arian's? Who took a decent team and turned them into a laughing stock within 3 years?
If anything there's not enough hate for that inept moron.
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I understand exactly what you mean .
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They don't have the same color?
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Revisionist history. One year into the Trestman era all we knew was wrong was Tucker. He took what was a ballin defense and made it beyond pedestrian.
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An interesting question is what was the difference with JA's drafting between the first half and second half of his time as the Bears GM?
Imo, JA was pretty decent, perhaps even good, through more or less the first half of his stint. And fucking awful - sink the team bad - during the latter half.
What happened? Was he just lucky early? Did the staff change? Did Lovie start to make poor input in drafting? Was it the impact of the Cutler trade and losing all those picks?
Would be interesting to read an in-depth article on it.
Imo, JA was pretty decent, perhaps even good, through more or less the first half of his stint. And fucking awful - sink the team bad - during the latter half.
What happened? Was he just lucky early? Did the staff change? Did Lovie start to make poor input in drafting? Was it the impact of the Cutler trade and losing all those picks?
Would be interesting to read an in-depth article on it.
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Its not revisionist necessarily. Just a 10 cent narrative that is easy to repeat. Its the same with nearly every high profile figure. Always some bullshit over simplified narrative that follows them around and is only half true at best.
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Piece wouldn't even be good enough to wipe my ass with unless it had accurate insider information which we know wouldn't happen.
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I'm not sure but both his first round Oline choices were really bad, traded away another 1st round pick in Olsen and didn't have two for Cutler. That's 5 years of no first round picks having long term success. Sure we have Cutler for two of those picks but when that's not considered, ie just looking at draft picks, it looks awful.
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I remember reading that Lovie spoke up in favour of Garrett Wolfe on draft day.
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And he started missing on his mid to late round boutique picks also. But that void of no contributing talent from the first round is the major reason why they're where they're at now, particularly defensively.
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To be fair, you had Urlacher, Briggs, Peanut, and Peppers all going downhill, or just giving up (cough cough, Peppers). Tucker was terrible, but that defense would have collapsed with anyone at the helm.
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I think pedestrian is giving too much credit .
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yeah exactly
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What type of did are you under the impression that Emery drafted for? And all of Emery #1's are starting and 2 of his picks are already pro bowlers. Hell Angelo didn't draft any other than Forte. I even draft pick on the 2 deep, just4yrs removed. That is laughably bad.
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I don't think Emery did a bad job, but he failed tremendously when it came to hiring a coach and that ultimately ended up being what got him fired. Not disappointed he's gone though considering that Pace has brought in even more talent in just a year.
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Interesting, I would have thought there would be more black players.
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I honestly believe after the Super Bowl, Lovie got more influence and he was terrible with personnel.
The Bears were also handicapped without 1st round picks in back to back years, and Angelo jumped right off the rails on those years.
I think part of drafting is luck, you cannot guarantee who will get hurt, who will keep working after the get a big check, who actually studies or works enough.
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