Enasic
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To be fair, VDN probably deserved to get punched.
To be fair, VDN probably deserved to get punched.
Axl Rose
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obviously he was involved but i think Gar has been more of the leader the past few years and more often times they agreed with moves he wanted and possibly some moves that Pax wasn't 100% behind
as far as the Thibs thing if you look back Paxson didn't seem like he was involved in it until JVG grilled the FO and they took this as him being Thibs mouth piece
it sounds like im being a Pax apologist but im just looking for some light at the end of the tunnel...i have more trust in Paxson than i do in Forman
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Comparing Rose to Penny and Grant is apples and oranges. Penny had micro-fracture knee surgery. There is no NBA guard ever to come back from such an invasive procedure and still have the athleticism to be anywhere near top level. Grant had severe string of injuries and nearly died due to an infection. But the more relevant point was that by the time he regained the ability to play again, he was too old to play prime all-star level basketball.
I agree with all your other points. You can't trust Rose to be anything better than he was last year. However, he has shown signs that he is becoming a dominant player again. Are those "signs" enough to warrant another huge contract? I don't think so.
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This is an honest question, no trolling here. I just want to know.*
Are you a Lebron fan, or a Bulls fan?
houheffna
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1. Bulls Fan
2. Lebron Fan
I became a Lebron fan in 2010, when I wanted the Bulls to sign him. He is the second best player I've seen in my life. The best was a Chicago Bull.
I am also a Dirk Nowtizki fan, a Russell Westbrook fan, a Kawhi Leonard fan, on and on.
I root for NONE of them when they play against the Bulls. Because I am a Bulls fan first.
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1. Bulls Fan
2. Rose Fan
I became a Rose fan in 2008, when I wanted the Bulls to draft him. He is the second best Bulls player I've seen in my life. The best was a Chicago Bull named Jordan.
I am also a Dirk Nowtizki fan, a Russell Westbrook fan, a Kawhi Leonard fan, on and on.
I root for NONE of them when they play against the Bulls. Because I am a Bulls fan first.
houheffna
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We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think Rose is as great a player as Scottie Pippen was.
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He could have been better if he wasn't injured. But Pippen clearly will have a better over-all career. Pippin gets it over-all alo because he was a shut down defender of three positions, even 4 against some of the smaller lighter 4s.
Enasic
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Oh geez....Rose the 2nd best Bulls now? C'mon....
Sure, he had the potential to be that if he stayed healthy but that didn't happen. Pippen was the better all around player and he had the better career. Pip is top 50 all time and a HOFer. Rose will be the first MVP not to reach the hall in all likelihood. Rose's prime lasted 1.5 seasons.
Sure, he had the potential to be that if he stayed healthy but that didn't happen. Pippen was the better all around player and he had the better career. Pip is top 50 all time and a HOFer. Rose will be the first MVP not to reach the hall in all likelihood. Rose's prime lasted 1.5 seasons.
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I doubt it but they would have won several. One thing that it might have done, is to make Kukoc an all-star at SF.
Enasic
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Bulls don't win 6 with Rose and no Pippen. I don't think Rose has the bball IQ to be effective in the triangle. Not to mention, our back court defense was one of our biggest assets and without Pip, our defense goes down a lot. We probably would have won a couple though. But who knows?
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Jordan would have pushed Rose, and Rose would be in a wheelchair by the All-Star break. But if Rose wasn't made of glass, who knows. Rose isn't as much of a problem from his gameplay and adaptability standpoint. Rose's health, and PTSD from it has been the issue and Jordan would demand so much of the spotlight to keep Rose on the bench, which might be best. You just don't have enough weapons at that point.
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Rose probably isn't an MVP level player in the triangle, but I do think they could get a couple championships plus Rose and no Pippen. Rose isn't a terrible defender, though he is a huge drop off from Pippen. You can make the case that he's a better offensive player and maybe that's good enough for a couple titles.
Enasic
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Rose would of had to really up his defense, which is exactly what the team is asking him to do now. The first couple times he didn't fight through screens MJ would have punched him Steve Kerr style.
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I guess it depends on which Rose we're referring to also. Pre ACL Rose I think didn't have those effort issues and was a pretty rock solid defender. Post ACL, yes, he'd get punched in the face and benched for Kerr probably.
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My post was less about a Pip/Rose comparison, but much more a continuation of posts #17, #45, #46, and #47.
Just making the troll look dumb, that's all.
