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    GPUs help.

    1080 is the best for video editing without going full pro or niche, 1070s and 580s are good for encoding as well(relative performancerice). 1060s also are okay.

    BTW, everything is jacked up because of hashing power for non-gaming right now. Hashing cryptocurrencies, hashing general encryption, and scientific hashing.


    Threadripper is almost out, which is a nice CPU as well for the same usecase you're looking at. But who knows if those will be in stock or hard to come by. The moment people say PC hardware is dying, it just makes a massive resurgence. So the whole market is a bit out of whack.
    Lol I was gonna try to cheap out on the GPU since it's not a gaming rig.... apparently not so much if im getting a 1080 lol

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    Sorry Aussie, this aint gonna be a cheap machine... I was only looking to skimp on the GPU if it made sense, but obviously it doesn't.

    I may sink 3,000$ into this rig.

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    Sorry Aussie, this aint gonna be a cheap machine... I was only looking to skimp on the GPU if it made sense, but obviously it doesn't.

    I may sink 3,000$ into this rig.
    but but but dat 444.99 rig be like 3 grand in 2013... depreciation be a bitch yo...

    dropping used car money on a pc... ... gl mane...

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    Are sounds cards obsolete? Yay or nay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute View Post
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    Are sounds cards obsolete? Yay or nay?
    Not obsolete. The basic facts are, sound cards simply have longer lifespans than nearly every component in a standard PC. Onboard AC97 codecs sound good and are super cheap. The bulk of the market was Creative for a while, and they made shit drivers and turned people off of soundcards. The alternatives didn't have EAX and xfi standard performance improvements, so people would compare something like an Asus card of the same price as the value SB cards and see no gaming performance improvements over onboard. Therefore gamers gave up. However, any serious multimedia PC, home theater build, audiophile system, or simply a musician(pro or hobbyist) still bought new sound cards or carried over old ones.

    Creative tries to drum up support every so often, but the fact remains, they CLAIM to have commitment to great drivers, but wind up having serious stability issues.

    I have a Xonar DX in my fun rig, and sound is better for sure. I have better cards, but those are more for niche purposes. For most people, I would say you're better off putting $50-150 towards a better GPU/CPU/Memory/SSD, or better headphones+amp. Why I like the Xonar 7.1, upgraded sound of course, but it's about 10 years old and STILL near the top of the line, so for someone that upgrades every 1-2 years, not bad. Probably going to upgrade or mod the card at some point.

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    Really awkward time to upgrade graphics cards/monitors right now. When I built my 7700K comp a few months ago, I was planning on moving from 1080p 60Hz up to 1440p 144Hz GSync/Freesync, targeting a GTX 1070/1080 or Vega. But with graphics card prices still sky-high, and having just bought a house + bathroom reno + asbestos abatement, I couldn't justify dropping another ~$1250 on a new monitor/graphics card combo. Plus, with the next round of monitor tech on the horizon, it didn't seem like a good time to upgrade the monitor anyway. Decided to stick with 1080p gaming for another two years until we have a second income, and I think I was fairly lucky to snag a GTX 1060 6GB for $228 at Micro Center yesterday (open box discount from $285). My GTX 770 was four years old and definitely showing its age. If i can move it for $100-$150 on craigslist, I think I'll have done pretty well.

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    You're not wrong.

    Everyone is pushing out these optimized architectures on 14nm, which allows more dies per wafer. Yields are fantastic on the GPUs. HBM/2 is a little wonky, but still not far off traditional yields.

    Yet, coin miners swallowed everything whole all of a sudden. E-sports gamers in Asia decided to go full-upgrade mode recently. Prices are fucked.

    I wish we had more competition in the GPU space. Even when S3 was the last 3rd option in the PCIe era, it was on par for the price range and would help out in times like this.

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    Miners have absolutely fucked everything. Vega is the current holy grail for mining which is going to make it near impossible to even get one unless you're willing to buy one of these launch gamer packages where they force feed you two games along with the card. I still gotta sell my waterblocked 295X2. Been dragging on putting that up on eBay. Its looking like I am just going to wait for Volta / Navi and pick the king of the two while sticking my water cooled GTX 1080 into the 16 core Threadripper build when it happens. Funnel that would be GPU money towards NVMe storage instead. Daddy wants retarded fast OS performance.

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    Miners have absolutely fucked everything. Vega is the current holy grail for mining which is going to make it near impossible to even get one unless you're willing to buy one of these launch gamer packages where they force feed you two games along with the card. I still gotta sell my waterblocked 295X2. Been dragging on putting that up on eBay. Its looking like I am just going to wait for Volta / Navi and pick the king of the two while sticking my water cooled GTX 1080 into the 16 core Threadripper build when it happens. Funnel that would be GPU money towards NVMe storage instead. Daddy wants retarded fast OS performance.
    It's not just Vega, it's all the AMD cards. They all mine better than Nvidia so finding one at a reasonable price is a veritable unicorn hunt. I haven't seen an Rx 580 that wasn't marked up at least 50-75%. The markup on the secondary market is even worse, and you know you're getting something that some miner has already put through the ringer.

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    Have any of you tried your hand at bitcoin mining?

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    Have any of you tried your hand at bitcoin mining?
    Yep. I'm close to the first phase, been using it since late 2010 and was mining from 2011 to 2013 (with a few curiosity tests after, but not as a full time miner). The tech side is a great discussion, but cryptocurrency talk always derailed by someone who wants to discuss the investment side of it, which is barely anything.

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    Fuck, I still use my pc that I built back in 2010 lmao. AMD 6 core 1090t black edition was the bees knees when I built my rig. 7 years later and it still runs everything I wanna do. But I still should upgrade, been getting the building bug lately.

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    got my 1080 for 415 bucks, so im pretty happy with that... especially seeing as vega 64 is at best on par. im good with my 7700k/ gtx 1080 rig for1080p gaming for the foreseeable future.

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    So I'm back to looking at setting up a server at home.... I am considering installing a rack mount cabinet and just starting with 1 blade for hosting and streaming all my media.

    Then i could add on blades in the future if I want additional machines for other purposes.

    Any thoughts?

    Are racks/blades more trouble than they're worth?

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    Is the graphics card market still fucked by Bitcoin?
    They pit the lifers against the new boy and the young against the old. The black against the white. Everything they do is to keep us in our place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoot26 View Post
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    Is the graphics card market still fucked by Bitcoin?
    Right idea, wrong coin completely. And yes, plus a number of other issues from brilliant(sarcasm) industry leaders that tried to push people to mobile hardware, when consumers were mostly happy with their mobile hardware and instead people wanted traditional hardware to their idiotic surprise. Thus creating a hard to repair memory shortage across the world.

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    So I'm back to looking at setting up a server at home.... I am considering installing a rack mount cabinet and just starting with 1 blade for hosting and streaming all my media.

    Then i could add on blades in the future if I want additional machines for other purposes.

    Any thoughts?

    Are racks/blades more trouble than they're worth?
    How big of a cabinet are you considering? Also, blade cabinets need to be planned from top to bottom IMO. Not like traditional rack, because you're going to have cooling issues trying to match space and power with some modular(designed to be) configuration. Blades are popular for retrofitting standard racks to fit more systems per 1U space, not because they offer any advantage for any other purpose. So it's really a configuration solution, not a performance or application/cost solution. You can actually wind up wasting space going with 'blade' systems, if you don't plan enough of the rack. Blades are half-width, you will likely(not 100%, just likely) just want as full width 1U enclosure to start, because it will be more flexible to maintain.

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    Anybody have any idea what the ROI on a crypto mining rig might be?

    I mean what would it take for the thing to pay for itself if it ran properly and its only job was mining?
    The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burque View Post
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    Anybody have any idea what the ROI on a crypto mining rig might be?

    I mean what would it take for the thing to pay for itself if it ran properly and its only job was mining?
    There are calculators everywhere. All depends on what coin you want to mine, the hardware/software configuration(don't assume all parts of the same number get the same performance results) you have along with the resources you throw at it. And the rest is speculation.

    So I would just google some calculators and if you're lazy, just google the hashrate for similar spec'ed hardware as your own. /derail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystallas View Post
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    There are calculators everywhere. All depends on what coin you want to mine, the hardware/software configuration(don't assume all parts of the same number get the same performance results) you have along with the resources you throw at it. And the rest is speculation.

    So I would just google some calculators and if you're lazy, just google the hashrate for similar spec'ed hardware as your own. /derail.
    This actually leads me to my next question which is more on topic.

    Is there a place that you would recommend to find a build out specifically for mining? Or is there a rig that you are aware of that is designed specifically for that?


    I know that I just got a gaming rig, but I do not want to mine with that for a specific reason. I have an idea to save on the cost of mining, but it would require me to not have the rig at my home. so considering I have no clue what makes the best mining rig I thought this might be a good place to ask if anyone knows the basics, or a good place to learn the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystallas View Post
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    How big of a cabinet are you considering? Also, blade cabinets need to be planned from top to bottom IMO. Not like traditional rack, because you're going to have cooling issues trying to match space and power with some modular(designed to be) configuration. Blades are popular for retrofitting standard racks to fit more systems per 1U space, not because they offer any advantage for any other purpose. So it's really a configuration solution, not a performance or application/cost solution. You can actually wind up wasting space going with 'blade' systems, if you don't plan enough of the rack. Blades are half-width, you will likely(not 100%, just likely) just want as full width 1U enclosure to start, because it will be more flexible to maintain.
    I was considering 12U cabinet... seems like some blades are larger than 1U and I wanted to be able to fit 3-5 at least.

    When i was asking about headaches I was thinking of cooling/setup/maintenance... I know the blades have no specific performance difference over towers.

    I have an entire closet in my office that is basically empty.... the 12U cabinet I was looking at could fit inside half of the closet.... there is no door on the closet.... I would just need to ensure airflow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burque View Post
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    This actually leads me to my next question which is more on topic.

    Is there a place that you would recommend to find a build out specifically for mining? Or is there a rig that you are aware of that is designed specifically for that?


    I know that I just got a gaming rig, but I do not want to mine with that for a specific reason. I have an idea to save on the cost of mining, but it would require me to not have the rig at my home. so considering I have no clue what makes the best mining rig I thought this might be a good place to ask if anyone knows the basics, or a good place to learn the basics.
    This is 2018. Unless you know what coin you want to mine and speculate on, it's useless to try to recommend any rig. BTW, you're not going to mine bitcoin with any regular computer hardware, despite what some articles written by content aggregators(people who just push content, not any form of expert on what they discuss). ETH maybe, but then you need to plan rigs, and right now with hardware in limbo, only established miners add to their machines by taking profit and expanding. New miners to something like ETH, need to build headless machines that are basically not useful for gaming or anything but hashing, so using your system would be a long term gamble on any ROI, to which may or may not happen.

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