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Bahahhaha my god, this isn't real is it?
Thanks for letting us know you're in the locker room when ya say Jay's not a good leader.
Bahahhaha my god, this isn't real is it?
Thanks for letting us know you're in the locker room when ya say Jay's not a good leader.
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and the league was so convinced that McCown was the real deal that he has been on 2 teams since and benched several times....mind blowing indeed.
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I hope not, Elway was a physical freak. Back in the 1980's Elway was the only active QB during that time who I believe had a stronger arm than Marino. I always thought Marino had the quicker release to avoid being sacked where Elway used his feet to buy time to fire the ball down the field with velocity that showed why the Yankees wanted him to pitch for them. Not only could Elway carry a team but damn that guy could throw a bullet father than most QBs could throw a deep ball. Elway not only has the intangibles Cutler lacks but also had a stronger arm & was more accurate too.
It's funny that posters are still bringing up Cutler in these hose brain comparisons & scenarios that are in left field. How can anyone not see that this franchise never going anywhere with Cutler under center. I hope & pray that the Bears finally draft a QB this year like Kaya or Chad Kelly if he can keep improving his character, his, game & cut back on taking too many risks in the passing game.
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Yes, OP. Jay Cutty> Elway.
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It's pure entertainment reading the same guys on Twitter defending cutler. It's always everyone else's fault but never cutler's.
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No.
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it's Cutler's fault when it's actually his fault. I don't know why this myth keeps getting perpetuated like he's permanently absolved of all blame in every single circumstance. here, here's a good example. you wanna know when it's Cutler's fault? when he has a 4 interception game. that's his fault. and the insistence that he was vastly outplayed by Josh McCown is also silly, Cutler probably played 2 more games (which was technically like 2 halves of games) and his stats minus interceptions were almost identical to McCown's. the fucking offensive system worked for that one little stitch in time known as the 2013 Bears.
to Rory's point, Cutler was benched for Clausen when the entire team collapsed and Aaron Kromer resorted to his cocksucker shit. Cutler wasn't benched because Clausen was a better option than him; Cutler was benched for little else than politics and people wanting to cover their own asses.
if you honestly believe the former then fuck it. I don't care anymore.
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Elway, Farce may have similar characteristics, but they where able to hit top level highs....they could carry a team...Jay can't and simply makes no one better. Those guys made WRs better and playmaking their ability was ridiculous at times
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You know whats funny about this is that everyone knows that McCown is subpar as a QB, but in Trestmans offense he proved to be consistently & highly productive as the second highest rated passer in the NFL over 5 starts & two separate halves. Everyone knew that Trestmans offense was & will be the only offense McCown can say he succeeded in, making him a system QB. System or no system with how McCown was flawlessly running Trestmans offense I don't care what kind of a QB he was with the results he was producing in circles around anything Cutler has ever done to date.
Then the Bears fuck up everything McCown & the offense were doing in spite of grabbing the division lead, only to favor Gods precious gift to the QB position(Again), just so the offense could immediately, even with the win in Cleveland, return to it's fragmented & inconsistent shortcomings due to Cutler. The rest of the season after slappy mcbluelips took the reins from McCown is there to add more evidence to the already heaping pile of examples that show, that while McCown may only have had success in 1 system, thats still 1 more system than Cutler has ever been & will never be better than average at best, or just plain horrible.
For the first time in basically ever in 2013 God gave the Bears a gift from out of nowhere with a Journeyman QB who happened to be perfect for the offense he played in, & the dumb fucks running this franchise were still too football stupid to tell that they had their fit with Trestmans offense for the remainder of the season with McCown. God the Bears front office is shit brain stupid.
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I was almost certain I posted this in the Cutler forum.... did it get moved out or am I mistaken?
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I agree with you but, come on, do you expect him to give the money back? Agreed, bad mechanics, slow read (lots of OC and revolving door at WR), I get a lot of the negativity.
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Great thread. Excellent post. This is real talk and excellent discussion. Good job OP. POY
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I moved it because it's an A+++ quality thread.
I was gonna move it when you originally posted it but I got busy forgot. Then firsttimer bumped it and I moved it on over last night.
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If Jay retires they will have that in common.
If Jay opens a dealership they will have two things in common.
If Jay opens a dealership they will have two things in common.
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I what now?
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You rule!
Kinobi gets the credit for inspiring the thread.
However... I kind of disagreed with his premise that elway all of a sudden got awesome at the end. Elway was consistently above average in the turnover department- despite the totals, he was better than league average.
Nowadays, more than ever before, turnovers are absolute daggers. With Jay never having 2 seasons back to back even above league average in int percentage, It is doubtful he could have a career renaissance like elway... especially when you factor in his fumblitis.
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You can not compare what elway had to deal with back then. It was so much harder
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Hmmm, wrong user. I wasn't even close as to who it was. My mistake.
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