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So it came up in another thread, is Bryant right now ignoring pitchers a top five player in baseball?
He is Top 5 in both BRef and FG WAR. So the short answer is, "yes."
If you're asking whether he's a perennial Top 5 player going forward, the answer is "probably."
He is Top 5 in both BRef and FG WAR. So the short answer is, "yes."
If you're asking whether he's a perennial Top 5 player going forward, the answer is "probably."
That's just using WAR which is subjective to it's formulation.
And three different formulations of WAR/WARP (BR, FG, BP) agree that Bryant is a Top 5 player. Baseball Prospectus has him #1, Baseball Reference #5, and Fangraphs has him #3. It's safe to say we've objectively triangulated him as being in the Top 5.
That's just using WAR which is subjective to it's formulation.
So basically who do you want on your team? Bryant or Trout? Bryant or Rizzo? Bryant or Machado? Bryant or Altuve? Bryant or Donaldson? Bryant or Areando? Bryant or Harper? Bryant or Betts? Bryant or Seager?
For me he's top 10. Just not sure he's top 5. I have Rizzo ahead of him.
For me WAR is as objective a measure as we have. Is it perfect? It is not, but for me fWAR comes the closest in evaluating talent, but you could make the argument that Bryant's defensive flexibility is over weighted in their system. In fWAR he's 2nd in bWAR he's 5th. That's only this season though and things can change. There are guys that were clearly in the top 5 or 10 a few years ago and are not now, and that's not taking into account aging players (Andrew McCutchen comes to mind). For me though I'll go out on a limb and say Bryant will remain in that top group for awhile as I think he's actually getting better.
In the Rizzo/Bryant debate I take Bryant as well because I think he's just a hair better. Looking at their stats right now their counting stats are scarily almost equal with the key differences being that Rizzo strikes out less but also walks less while Bryant hits more HR. Moving away from counting stats I think Bryant's positional flexibility just edges out Rizzo's leadership qualities. Bottom line though I think Bryant is the MVP and clear favorite in 2016 as of today but all know things could change. Going forward they are both probably top 5 players in more years than not.
Pretty sure he'd have Heyward #1Also since Omlette is AWOL, let me post his Top 2 overall MLB players:
1) Zobrist
2) La Stella
Given that a great deal of Bryant's numbers have come against the likes of the Reds, Brewers, and Rockies, I really don't think it's even close and that Rizzo is clear and away the MVP of the team and quite possibly the League. Bryant has been up and down compared to Rizzo who has been more consistent. Again not taking anything away from Bryant. He's a top 10 guy that may someday be top 5. He's just not there today.
And I agree, He'll be there for a bit.
I'd take Bryant. He plays more positions. If I could, I would take both.That's just using WAR which is subjective to it's formulation.
So basically who do you want on your team? Bryant or Trout? Bryant or Rizzo? Bryant or Machado? Bryant or Altuve? Bryant or Donaldson? Bryant or Areando? Bryant or Harper? Bryant or Betts? Bryant or Seager?
For me he's top 10. Just not sure he's top 5. I have Rizzo ahead of him.
Way to slant toward your Bias SlienceS. Not talking just to talk, let's look at the numbers.
April, May, AS break of July especially very hard on Bryant. Bad May for Rizzo. Yes Rizzo more consistent. (all in relation to being elite/top 5)
Bryant 12 hrs 855 OPS
Rizzo 14 hrs 1053 OPS
Those are the numbers on teams above .500.
yes Rizzo is clearly better.
I'd take Bryant. He plays more positions. If I could, I would take both.
Way to slant toward your Bias SlienceS. Not talking just to talk, let's look at the numbers.
April, May, AS break of July especially very hard on Bryant. Bad May for Rizzo. Yes Rizzo more consistent. (all in relation to being elite/top 5)
Bryant 12 hrs 855 OPS
Rizzo 14 hrs 1053 OPS
Those are the numbers on teams above .500.
yes Rizzo is clearly better.