Some Interesting Quarterback Stats

didshereallysaythat · Sep 29, 2016

Mongo_76 said:
Not a "narrative". It's a well known fact, supported by expert analysts, stats, video, etc..

Jay was sacked 27 times in 2007 with Denver - which was pretty much on par with last year, and his career average of 29.

It's still a narrative by definition.

didshereallysaythat · Sep 29, 2016

run and shoot said:
Here: Cutler's Sack% was higher in Denver, actually. 6.4% there, 5.7% here. -DMelt36
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and did u know over the last few years...A. Rogers has been sacked more than jay

So Rodgers can't throw on time to a spot either?

BringBackDitka54 · Sep 29, 2016

run and shoot said:
BringBackDitka54......bottom line, ya play this game to win. A Qb is suppose to be a key ( not the only factor).....but a big key to winning. If ur consistently losing with the same Qb.....then ya gotta move to a Qb who's a big key to winning. It's not quantum physics.

There's a middle ground between the bottom line and quantum physics.

You need to set your quarterback up with solid pieces around him. Bears fans should know this better than anyone.

didshereallysaythat · Sep 29, 2016

Jailbreak said:
Man, I'm glad the Bears don't look like Miami. They should have gone all teal.

Remember when people here thought Tannehill was a good QB?

BringBackDitka54 · Sep 29, 2016

didshereallysaythat said:
Remember when people here thought Tannehill was a good QB?

"Dude he's putting up better stats than Brady!"

ShiftyDevil · Sep 29, 2016

Mongo_76 said:
Please don't try and derail this into a Cutler thread.

Thanks

You do realize your first 10 'paragraphs' are about Cutler right?

Please be 10% less Special person.

Mongo_76 · Sep 29, 2016

ShiftyDevil said:
You do realize your first 10 'paragraphs' are about Cutler right?

Please be 10% less Special person.

You fail Kindergarten math?

OR is being a fucktard your "thing"

Mongo_76 · Sep 29, 2016

didshereallysaythat said:
It's still a narrative by definition.

You need to look up the difference between fact and narrative. And please focus on the topic at hand: Hoyer has zero sacks and zero ints.

Mongo_76 · Sep 29, 2016

didshereallysaythat said:
So Rodgers can't throw on time to a spot either?

Your inability to understand basic football is almost on par with Jays.

didshereallysaythat · Sep 29, 2016

Mongo_76 said:
Your inability to understand basic football is almost on par with Jays.

The Blue Jays?

westcoast bear fanatic · Sep 29, 2016

Mongo, it doesn't work anymore. Clearly everyone is off the Cutler wagon. You should think of changing up your schtick and going Pro-Cutler, much more fish to troll for.

BearClaw55 · Sep 29, 2016

Mongo_76 said:
As we all know, Jay Cutler has one of the stronger arms in the NFL. Many put him in the top 5 - clearly behind Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, and Newton.

With that said, many astute NFL analysts have noted Cutlers inability to actually use his strong arm well because he has 5 critical mental issues:

1) He has an inability to learn and use basic QB skills and this leads to incredibly poor technique, often throwing flat-footed, wrong foot, etc...
2) He often locks on to a receiver - usually pre-snap - and his brain just can't go through progressions.
3) Due his inability to focus, he is incredibly inaccurate. GM's have had to find "big receivers" with a large catching radius to help compensate for his lack of precision.
4) He can't read defenses or coverages well. This often leads to a derivative (and applicable) mental critique of Jay: He makes poor decisions.
5) He has an inability to consistently throw on-time and to a spot.

With all his flaws, the last is probably the most detrimental to Jay himself and the team. People liek to call jay a "gun slinger". Truth is Jay is nothing but a "school yard" QB, who has to "see it" before he throws it. OC's whose playbooks call for accurate throws to a spot on the field on time - often before a receiver makes his break - have to completely change their scheme to adapt to his mental incompetence.

And unfortunately, this mental defect has caused him to take a beating. When a protection scheme/play calls for the QB to take 3 steps, and release. Or 5 steps, make a read, check down, then release, and he won't do it, he get's sacked.

This has given Jay Cutler supporters their favorite excuse: "Jay doesn't have protection". And for those who know nothing about football, it has also given them their second favorite excuse "It's the OC's fault."

Wrong.

Nothing can highlight this better than Hoyer's stats this year.

Jay came out of game#2 with just a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. At that point, not only was he hit several times, he was sacked 3 times. This was on top of the 5 sacks he caused himself to incur in week 1. In total, 8 sacks in just about 7 quarters of play.

Again, the Jay slurpers were all over the "bad Oline" excuse.

But Hoyer, in just 5 quarters (agreed a small sample size so far), with 1 of them being against a team that was getting to Jay, has ZERO sacks.

No one will argue that Hoyer has a stronger arm than Jay. But, having a QB that can play within the system and let the ball go when he's supposed to is half the battle. Jay Cutler has a 2 to 1 TD to Int rate. Hoyer? ZERO ints and twice as many TD's as Jay. Another stat? By playing within the system and throwing on time, Hoyer has completed 11 more passes than Jay and at a higher completion rate, again while playing about a half game less.

One other interesting stat: Since Hoyer took over leading this team, Kevin White has caught almost 80 yards on 8 receptions. With Jay under center? About 40 yards total.

While (and I will repeat it again) the sample size is small, projected over a full season, Hoyer will throw 26 TD's this year and put well over 4000 yards. Cutler was on pace to throw for his usual pathetic 3400 yards while taking 73 sacks.

Like Turner, Martz, Tice and Testman, Frodo Loggains will likely be the sacrificial Lamb, get all the blame, and get axed. Just another OC fired because "franchise" sucks.

Thought you'd all find this interesting.

Wow nice breakdown and this piece stuck out to me because I witnessed the same thing when McCown increased Alshon's production once Jay went down.

"One other interesting stat: Since Hoyer took over leading this team, Kevin White has caught almost 80 yards on 8 receptions. With Jay under center? About 40 yards total."

Jailbreak · Sep 30, 2016

I'm not sure Ming was being serious to begin with. God help you if you prefer Hoyer. He doesn't do jack, but he'll make less mistakes and looks good against zone. When teams feel like they need to compete they are pressing and Hoyer looks like Hoyer. Pretty good at taking the ball and handing it off.

Raskolnikov · Sep 30, 2016

How many times has Hoyer spiked the ball at the feet of his linemen because he wanted to highlight how shitty of a job they were doing?

How many times has Hoyer embarrassed his OC with his demeanor and blaming?

How many times has Hoyer made sure a receiver took the fall for his mistake?

How many times has Hoyer quit on the Bears?

you would think Cutler was fucking Tom Brady the way the Bears put up with his shit. I hope he never plays another down in this league, he is a disgusting human and doesn't deserve to compete with honorable men.

Jailbreak · Sep 30, 2016

You may not remember, but I don't have an axe with Cutler and I certainly don't believe Hoyer somehow sprouts and becomes better than him. Most of this is venting. Hoyer is a third string qb with a good roster.

Raskolnikov · Sep 30, 2016

Jailbreak said:
You may not remember, but I don't have an axe with Cutler and I certainly don't believe Hoyer somehow sprouts and becomes better than him. Most of this is venting. Hoyer is a third string qb with a good roster.

he is pretty good for having a noodle arm.

Jailbreak · Sep 30, 2016

Raskolnikov said:
he is pretty good for having a noodle arm.

He's not stupid, but he's not as good as McCown. I'm weary of the qb conversation. We haven't had anything I'd consider interesting since the trade.

buckaroo2311 · Sep 30, 2016

Mongo_76 said:
As we all know, Jay Cutler has one of the stronger arms in the NFL. Many put him in the top 5 - clearly behind Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, and Newton.

With that said, many astute NFL analysts have noted Cutlers inability to actually use his strong arm well because he has 5 critical mental issues:

1) He has an inability to learn and use basic QB skills and this leads to incredibly poor technique, often throwing flat-footed, wrong foot, etc...
2) He often locks on to a receiver - usually pre-snap - and his brain just can't go through progressions.
3) Due his inability to focus, he is incredibly inaccurate. GM's have had to find "big receivers" with a large catching radius to help compensate for his lack of precision.
4) He can't read defenses or coverages well. This often leads to a derivative (and applicable) mental critique of Jay: He makes poor decisions.
5) He has an inability to consistently throw on-time and to a spot.

With all his flaws, the last is probably the most detrimental to Jay himself and the team. People liek to call jay a "gun slinger". Truth is Jay is nothing but a "school yard" QB, who has to "see it" before he throws it. OC's whose playbooks call for accurate throws to a spot on the field on time - often before a receiver makes his break - have to completely change their scheme to adapt to his mental incompetence.

And unfortunately, this mental defect has caused him to take a beating. When a protection scheme/play calls for the QB to take 3 steps, and release. Or 5 steps, make a read, check down, then release, and he won't do it, he get's sacked.

This has given Jay Cutler supporters their favorite excuse: "Jay doesn't have protection". And for those who know nothing about football, it has also given them their second favorite excuse "It's the OC's fault."

Wrong.

Nothing can highlight this better than Hoyer's stats this year.

Jay came out of game#2 with just a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. At that point, not only was he hit several times, he was sacked 3 times. This was on top of the 5 sacks he caused himself to incur in week 1. In total, 8 sacks in just about 7 quarters of play.

Again, the Jay slurpers were all over the "bad Oline" excuse.

But Hoyer, in just 5 quarters (agreed a small sample size so far), with 1 of them being against a team that was getting to Jay, has ZERO sacks.

No one will argue that Hoyer has a stronger arm than Jay. But, having a QB that can play within the system and let the ball go when he's supposed to is half the battle. Jay Cutler has a 2 to 1 TD to Int rate. Hoyer? ZERO ints and twice as many TD's as Jay. Another stat? By playing within the system and throwing on time, Hoyer has completed 11 more passes than Jay and at a higher completion rate, again while playing about a half game less.

One other interesting stat: Since Hoyer took over leading this team, Kevin White has caught almost 80 yards on 8 receptions. With Jay under center? About 40 yards total.

While (and I will repeat it again) the sample size is small, projected over a full season, Hoyer will throw 26 TD's this year and put well over 4000 yards. Cutler was on pace to throw for his usual pathetic 3400 yards while taking 73 sacks.

Like Turner, Martz, Tice and Testman, Frodo Loggains will likely be the sacrificial Lamb, get all the blame, and get axed. Just another OC fired because "franchise" sucks.

Thought you'd all find this interesting.

This whole shit post can be summed up as.....

"Jay sucks"

" I know more about football than you because Jay sucks"

Trolling for attention is pathetic because Jay sucks.

hyatt151 · Sep 30, 2016

BringBackDitka54 said:
Not sure what the point of this is. There's like 3 people on this board who still have faith in Jay.

Bet more than that prove you wrong before the 1st page is completed.

run and shoot · Sep 30, 2016

didshereallysaythat said:
So Rodgers can't throw on time to a spot either?

what I'm saying is.....he doesn't let sacks or OL become a excuse for not producing.

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