Some Interesting Quarterback Stats

Mongo_76

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As we all know, Jay Cutler has one of the stronger arms in the NFL. Many put him in the top 5 - clearly behind Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, and Newton.

With that said, many astute NFL analysts have noted Cutlers inability to actually use his strong arm well because he has 5 critical mental issues:

1) He has an inability to learn and use basic QB skills and this leads to incredibly poor technique, often throwing flat-footed, wrong foot, etc...
2) He often locks on to a receiver - usually pre-snap - and his brain just can't go through progressions.
3) Due his inability to focus, he is incredibly inaccurate. GM's have had to find "big receivers" with a large catching radius to help compensate for his lack of precision.
4) He can't read defenses or coverages well. This often leads to a derivative (and applicable) mental critique of Jay: He makes poor decisions.
5) He has an inability to consistently throw on-time and to a spot.

With all his flaws, the last is probably the most detrimental to Jay himself and the team. People liek to call jay a "gun slinger". Truth is Jay is nothing but a "school yard" QB, who has to "see it" before he throws it. OC's whose playbooks call for accurate throws to a spot on the field on time - often before a receiver makes his break - have to completely change their scheme to adapt to his mental incompetence.

And unfortunately, this mental defect has caused him to take a beating. When a protection scheme/play calls for the QB to take 3 steps, and release. Or 5 steps, make a read, check down, then release, and he won't do it, he get's sacked.

This has given Jay Cutler supporters their favorite excuse: "Jay doesn't have protection". And for those who know nothing about football, it has also given them their second favorite excuse "It's the OC's fault."

Wrong.

Nothing can highlight this better than Hoyer's stats this year.

Jay came out of game#2 with just a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. At that point, not only was he hit several times, he was sacked 3 times. This was on top of the 5 sacks he caused himself to incur in week 1. In total, 8 sacks in just about 7 quarters of play.

Again, the Jay slurpers were all over the "bad Oline" excuse.


But Hoyer, in just 5 quarters (agreed a small sample size so far), with 1 of them being against a team that was getting to Jay, has ZERO sacks.

No one will argue that Hoyer has a stronger arm than Jay. But, having a QB that can play within the system and let the ball go when he's supposed to is half the battle. Jay Cutler has a 2 to 1 TD to Int rate. Hoyer? ZERO ints and twice as many TD's as Jay. Another stat? By playing within the system and throwing on time, Hoyer has completed 11 more passes than Jay and at a higher completion rate, again while playing about a half game less.

One other interesting stat: Since Hoyer took over leading this team, Kevin White has caught almost 80 yards on 8 receptions. With Jay under center? About 40 yards total.


While (and I will repeat it again) the sample size is small, projected over a full season, Hoyer will throw 26 TD's this year and put well over 4000 yards. Cutler was on pace to throw for his usual pathetic 3400 yards while taking 73 sacks.

Like Turner, Martz, Tice and Testman, Frodo Loggains will likely be the sacrificial Lamb, get all the blame, and get axed. Just another OC fired because "franchise" sucks.

Thought you'd all find this interesting.
 

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As we all know, Jay Cutler has one of the stronger arms in the NFL. Many put him in the top 5 - clearly behind Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, and Newton.

With that said, many astute NFL analysts have noted Cutlers inability to actually use his strong arm well because he has 5 critical mental issues:

1) He has an inability to learn and use basic QB skills and this leads to incredibly poor technique, often throwing flat-footed, wrong foot, etc...
2) He often locks on to a receiver - usually pre-snap - and his brain just can't go through progressions.
3) Due his inability to focus, he is incredibly inaccurate. GM's have had to find "big receivers" with a large catching radius to help compensate for his lack of precision.
4) He can't read defenses or coverages well. This often leads to a derivative (and applicable) mental critique of Jay: He makes poor decisions.
5) He has an inability to consistently throw on-time and to a spot.

With all his flaws, the last is probably the most detrimental to Jay himself and the team. People liek to call jay a "gun slinger". Truth is Jay is nothing but a "school yard" QB, who has to "see it" before he throws it. OC's whose playbooks call for accurate throws to a spot on the field on time - often before a receiver makes his break - have to completely change their scheme to adapt to his mental incompetence.

And unfortunately, this mental defect has caused him to take a beating. When a protection scheme/play calls for the QB to take 3 steps, and release. Or 5 steps, make a read, check down, then release, and he won't do it, he get's sacked.

This has given Jay Cutler supporters their favorite excuse: "Jay doesn't have protection". And for those who know nothing about football, it has also given them their second favorite excuse "It's the OC's fault."

Wrong.

Nothing can highlight this better than Hoyer's stats this year.

Jay came out of game#2 with just a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. At that point, not only was he hit several times, he was sacked 3 times. This was on top of the 5 sacks he caused himself to incur in week 1. In total, 8 sacks in just about 7 quarters of play.

Again, the Jay slurpers were all over the "bad Oline" excuse.


But Hoyer, in just 5 quarters (agreed a small sample size so far), with 1 of them being against a team that was getting to Jay, has ZERO sacks.

No one will argue that Hoyer has a stronger arm than Jay. But, having a QB that can play within the system and let the ball go when he's supposed to is half the battle. Jay Cutler has a 2 to 1 TD to Int rate. Hoyer? ZERO ints and twice as many TD's as Jay. Another stat? By playing within the system and throwing on time, Hoyer has completed 11 more passes than Jay and at a higher completion rate, again while playing about a half game less.

One other interesting stat: Since Hoyer took over leading this team, Kevin White has caught almost 80 yards on 8 receptions. With Jay under center? About 40 yards total.


While (and I will repeat it again) the sample size is small, projected over a full season, Hoyer will throw 26 TD's this year and put well over 4000 yards. Cutler was on pace to throw for his usual pathetic 3400 yards while taking 73 sacks.

Like Turner, Martz, Tice and Testman, Frodo Loggains will likely be the sacrificial Lamb, get all the blame, and get axed. Just another OC fired because "franchise" sucks.

Thought you'd all find this interesting.

Wanna know what I find interesting? How few sacks he took while with Denver. Strange given your analysis above.
 

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Lol so Hoyer's better than Cutler? Again, who gives a fuck. There's not a quarterback on this roster that will ever lead this team.
 

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What was his w-l record and what happened to the HC who drafted him.

One of the narratives in the OP was to show how when QBs don't have the ability to throw on time and to a spot, they take more sacks and it makes the o line and oc look worse on the surface. However, one of the QBs did not take many sacks while in Denver despite said deficiencies by said OP.
 

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While a bit unnecessary and tedious at this point (just about everyone realizes it's time to move on), I have to agree with the points. It's spot on. Although points 2 thru 5 are really one over-arching issue - he simply doesn't process football well at NFL speed.
 

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One of the narratives in the OP was to show how when QBs don't have the ability to throw on time and to a spot, they take more sacks and it makes the o line and oc look worse on the surface. However, one of the QBs did not take many sacks while in Denver despite said deficiencies by said OP.


.....and I'm saying the results were the same as now.
 

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This just a feels like a summation of all the posts I've read on this board for the last 2-3 years.

[Edit] And I'm sure there's a correlation between Cutler's pocket indecision and the sacks taken, but doing something like comparing his Sack% to other QBs wouldn't feel adequate because there are too many variables involved that could affect the percentage in way direction or the other.

Cutler's Sack% was higher in Denver, actually. 6.4% there, 5.7% here.
 
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W-L record is a terrible way to measure a player. Same with Super Bowl rings.

BringBackDitka54......bottom line, ya play this game to win. A Qb is suppose to be a key ( not the only factor).....but a big key to winning. If ur consistently losing with the same Qb.....then ya gotta move to a Qb who's a big key to winning. It's not quantum physics.
 

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One of the narratives in the OP was to show how when QBs don't have the ability to throw on time and to a spot, they take more sacks and it makes the o line and oc look worse on the surface. However, one of the QBs did not take many sacks while in Denver despite said deficiencies by said OP.

Not a "narrative". It's a well known fact, supported by expert analysts, stats, video, etc..

Jay was sacked 27 times in 2007 with Denver - which was pretty much on par with last year, and his career average of 29.
 

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One of the narratives in the OP was to show how when QBs don't have the ability to throw on time and to a spot, they take more sacks and it makes the o line and oc look worse on the surface. However, one of the QBs did not take many sacks while in Denver despite said deficiencies by said OP.

Here: Cutler's Sack% was higher in Denver, actually. 6.4% there, 5.7% here. -DMelt36
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and did u know over the last few years...A. Rogers has been sacked more than jay
 

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