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We gonna even hope?

Its what we need. Seeking 5 years.


I'd like to see the White Sox do something truly wild and try to get both Puig and Cespedes over here and see if they can help each other at all. Puig on the cheap. Any chance Cespedes could be a mentor to him? lol...I know but bad boys sometimes need bad boy mentors. Probably they would just do alot of cocaine together, be injured all the time.

The Sox need some kind of spark...just a little extra something to win big lose big a little more. A little less consistent, a little more variance instead of losing 4-3 everyday.

This is the off-season to reload, because it doesn't take advanced statistics to realize the Sox are close. Frustratingly close. We get 15 more saves and where are we down the stretch?

Get Cespedes, get a closer...and then look around the league and take some low-risks and gambles on some things.
 

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Too much money for a DH type player.
 

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Too much money for a DH type player.

We play in the American league and Abreu is young enough to keep playing 1B for a while.

You want Cabrera DH'ing again? This is why we suck.
 

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3.6 FWAR. Not a DH considering his arm strength.

Great..when he gets to the ball he might cut the runner out at 2b/3b.

I think he's a nice player. But he's not the missing piece.

He's 31 years old and is looking for at least $125 million for five years.

He has bust written all over him for the life of the contract overall to me. I'm not paying someone $25-30 million per year to do that. He's a marginal better player than Todd Frazier for 3x the money. No thanks.
 

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marginally better is the premium you pay for to make the playoffs. Where you sell a bunch of tickets, build a fan base, infuse interest into the team and make back your money.

Or we can just not spend any money ever and dissolve the franchise, maybe they can let us move to Las Vegas?
 

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marginally better is the premium you pay for to make the playoffs. Where you sell a bunch of tickets, build a fan base, infuse interest into the team and make back your money.

Or we can just not spend any money ever and dissolve the franchise, maybe they can let us move to Las Vegas?

You just flew off the handle and crashed into an active volcano right there.
 

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I doubt the Sox sign him, not their M.O.
 

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Great..when he gets to the ball he might cut the runner out at 2b/3b.

I think he's a nice player. But he's not the missing piece.

He's 31 years old and is looking for at least $125 million for five years.

He has bust written all over him for the life of the contract overall to me. I'm not paying someone $25-30 million per year to do that. He's a marginal better player than Todd Frazier for 3x the money. No thanks.
The White Sox are a poorly constructed team, but you're looking for "the missing piece"?
 

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The Sox shouldnt sign Cespedes in my opinion. I think the longer the wait to rebuild. The more mediocre .500 seasons they will have in a tough division. Indians arent going anywhere. Royals will be back. Tigers are the Tigers and anytime you have Miggy. They are going to be relevant. Also, the Twins are loaded with talent. Lets see if it transfers to the ML team.
 

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The Sox shouldnt sign Cespedes in my opinion. I think the longer the wait to rebuild. The more mediocre .500 seasons they will have in a tough division. Indians arent going anywhere. Royals will be back. Tigers are the Tigers and anytime you have Miggy. They are going to be relevant. Also, the Twins are loaded with talent. Lets see if it transfers to the ML team.

NOOOO!!! We shouldn't be rebuilding. What does that mean? You think if we tank and trade away assetts for a few marginal pieces all of a sudden we will have a farm full of premium players that will become the core and take us to the promise land?

The Cubs fan above I can forgive for not understanding how elite the White Sox core is, but goddamnit we have a great young core.

Abreu, Anderson, Sale, Quintana, Eaton,

Those are some of the harder pieces to find. Leadoff, power first base that can hit, elite starters.


Some of the other guys are adaquate stand ins. A bull pen is not that hard to fix or expensive. You trade those big 4 guys and there is no telling if you can find their quality again.

With the farm the way it is they would have to spend a little money, but they need to spend smarter then they have been. They keep picking up bargain rip offs.
 

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We gonna even hope?

Its what we need. Seeking 5 years.


I'd like to see the White Sox do something truly wild and try to get both Puig and Cespedes over here and see if they can help each other at all. Puig on the cheap. Any chance Cespedes could be a mentor to him? lol...I know but bad boys sometimes need bad boy mentors. Probably they would just do alot of cocaine together, be injured all the time.

The Sox need some kind of spark...just a little extra something to win big lose big a little more. A little less consistent, a little more variance instead of losing 4-3 everyday.

This is the off-season to reload, because it doesn't take advanced statistics to realize the Sox are close. Frustratingly close. We get 15 more saves and where are we down the stretch?

Get Cespedes, get a closer...and then look around the league and take some low-risks and gambles on some things.


I agree with you that they are close and that they need a big bat like Cespedes. I would prefer a left handed hitting guy but you can't have everything. I think that they also need a starting pitcher and a catcher.
 

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NOOOO!!! We shouldn't be rebuilding. What does that mean? You think if we tank and trade away assetts for a few marginal pieces all of a sudden we will have a farm full of premium players that will become the core and take us to the promise land?

The Cubs fan above I can forgive for not understanding how elite the White Sox core is, but goddamnit we have a great young core.

Abreu, Anderson, Sale, Quintana, Eaton,

Those are some of the harder pieces to find. Leadoff, power first base that can hit, elite starters.


Some of the other guys are adaquate stand ins. A bull pen is not that hard to fix or expensive. You trade those big 4 guys and there is no telling if you can find their quality again.

With the farm the way it is they would have to spend a little money, but they need to spend smarter then they have been. They keep picking up bargain rip offs.


I love the young lefty, Rodon, who is learning on the job well. They need two bats with at least one legit good left handed hitting guy that they can put between Abreau and Bell. A good two way catcher is also a big time need.

Look, I am a big time believer that when you have more than two holes in your line-up, then you really do not have a chance to score a lot of runs Last year, the Sox had three holes in the line-up. They lacked hitters at catcher, center field, and DH.
 

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The White Sox are a poorly constructed team, but you're looking for "the missing piece"?

I disagree with the poorly constructed team. They have outstanding pitching. They have several good pieces on offense but they definitely need more and more than just one piece more than likely. They could use a catcher and one solid outfielder, possibly two. That's really all they would need to be right in the hunt. the team was great outside of the AL Central.
 

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NOOOO!!! We shouldn't be rebuilding. What does that mean? You think if we tank and trade away assetts for a few marginal pieces all of a sudden we will have a farm full of premium players that will become the core and take us to the promise land?

The Cubs fan above I can forgive for not understanding how elite the White Sox core is, but goddamnit we have a great young core.

Abreu, Anderson, Sale, Quintana, Eaton,

Those are some of the harder pieces to find. Leadoff, power first base that can hit, elite starters.


Some of the other guys are adaquate stand ins. A bull pen is not that hard to fix or expensive. You trade those big 4 guys and there is no telling if you can find their quality again.

With the farm the way it is they would have to spend a little money, but they need to spend smarter then they have been. They keep picking up bargain rip offs.

They don't have to get rid of everyone, but they need to focus on rebuilding the farm system. White Sox always go for the lightning in a bottle approach. Cubs were signing guys to trade them. Right now, the only guys Theo actually drafted with the Cubs on this roster are Bryant, Almora, & Schwarber. Baez was drafted by Hendry. Contreras was signed by Hendry. Hendricks, Arrieta, Russell, Rizzo, Strop, Grimm, & Edwards Jr. were all acquired by trade. Rondon came over in the Rule 5 draft, and Soler was signed out of Cuba. It wouldn't hurt the Sox to trade some guys and put some real cost controlled talent in their organization.
 

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The problem is that the White Sox have not shown the ability to devlop non-pitching talent at this point. So it's a terrible idea to stock the minors before having a complete overhaul in talent evaluation and talent development from a non-pitching perspective. For that overhaul to happen, Kenny has to go. Jerry might have to sell as well.
 

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I disagree with the poorly constructed team. They have outstanding pitching. They have several good pieces on offense but they definitely need more and more than just one piece more than likely. They could use a catcher and one solid outfielder, possibly two. That's really all they would need to be right in the hunt. the team was great outside of the AL Central.

But I think the "pieces" thing you've touched is really the larger point. The White Sox are a weird collection of ill-fitting pieces, albeit some of those pieces are very talented. But there's no apparent overall strategy to what they're doing with their roster. There's no inherent synergy that comes from searching for WAR upgrades at any position you can find them.

What is the White Sox bid for victory? Run suppression or run production? What does a "White Sox" pitcher look like? Great stuff & strikeouts? Weak contact specialist? Do they care about defense or not? What does a "White Sox" hitter look like? Patience and power or contact and aggressiveness? Do they prioritize speed and baserunning or not?

I'm not suggesting that the White Sox need to follow "the" plan, but seems obvious to me that they don't even have a plan. Every offseason is "Let's throw a bunch of WAR at the wall and see what sticks!" They are a completely rudderless front office.
 

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