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    I would argue that he is a top ten here and there but constantly hes not there all game imo. A top ten player has the ability to chance the game when it matters. Hes up there and i love him but top 15 is far more in range where hes at now.

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    He played at that level for a while...but he isn't top 10. I don't even think he can be the number 1 guy on a championship team skillwise, like say....Cousins could be. But I think he could be the 2nd guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houheffna View Post
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    He played at that level for a while...but he isn't top 10. I don't even think he can be the number 1 guy on a championship team skillwise, like say....Cousins could be. But I think he could be the 2nd guy.
    cousins is a stat whore worrying about a max contract...

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    cousins is a stat whore worrying about a max contract...
    I don't think that matters in this argument.
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    I don't think that matters in this argument.
    fair enough... if he wasnt though... him and jimmy could do some damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by houheffna View Post
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    He played at that level for a while...but he isn't top 10. I don't even think he can be the number 1 guy on a championship team skillwise, like say....Cousins could be. But I think he could be the 2nd guy.
    where have you been man?

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    where have you been man?
    been masquerading as a Cubs fan...
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    Jimmy has cooled off a little in December and it is likely due to his poor shooting from 3 - He went from shooting 36% in November to 21% in December.

    I expect that to correct itself into the 33-34% which is what he would normally shoot.

    I think he ends the season with a stat line like 23-6-4 with 44% FG% and 33% 3FG%.

    I think my revised list with some more thought would be in this order -

    1. Lebron James
    2. Kevin Durant
    3. Russell Westbrook
    4. Stephen Curry
    5. Anthony Davis
    6. Kawhi Leonard
    7. James Harden
    8. Demarcus Cousins - -Not taking into account his off-court shenanigans
    9. Damian Lillard
    10. Greek Freak
    11. Paul George
    12. Klay Thompson
    13. Jimmy Butler
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    You have him above Chris Paul, Gordon Hayward, and John Wall?

    To be fair, I have no ranking for him. When he's playing two-way basketball, IMO, he's about 8-ish for me. When he's playing hoiball, he's maybe in the 20-30 range. Right now, Butler is using the Corey Maggette offensive schema, so all he does it get bruised up and plays sloppy defense because of it. Helps his stats, sure, but doesn't help the team, and when the team struggles, confidence is low, which means star players get pressured into bigger loads... it's just a viscous cycle.

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    You have him above Chris Paul, Gordon Hayward, and John Wall?

    To be fair, I have no ranking for him. When he's playing two-way basketball, IMO, he's about 8-ish for me. When he's playing hoiball, he's maybe in the 20-30 range. Right now, Butler is using the Corey Maggette offensive schema, so all he does it get bruised up and plays sloppy defense because of it. Helps his stats, sure, but doesn't help the team, and when the team struggles, confidence is low, which means star players get pressured into bigger loads... it's just a viscous cycle.
    The Maggette comparison is scarily accurate. Waste of his talents.
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    No..too inconsistent

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    Well there you go, he just took over a quarter offensively and defensively to win a game despite an ankle injury. It's not his fault that everyone minus a past prime Wade is bad to horrible offensively.

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    Hoiberg can't coach. Period. The End!
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    He seems like he's in that mesh of interchangeable perimeter players emboldened in the 15-20ish range.
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    1) James
    2) Durant
    3) Curry
    4) Westbrook
    5) Harden
    6) Davis
    7) Paul
    8) Aldridge
    9) Cousins

    I think after that group it gets muddier, and open to argument. the next group is clearly secodn tier, a few are in conversation to move to top 10.

    10) Thompson
    11) Greek Freek
    12) Butler
    13) Irving
    14) Lillard
    15) George
    16) Anthony
    17) Wade
    18) Hayward
    19) Derozan
    20) Lowry

    After the top 20, their is a large group of men who can put themselves in the conversation for 20-50 status and its quite murky, debatable, and confusing. Hayward, Wade, and Anthony are first out of top 20 to make way for newcomers as their upside is behind them.

    And Wade is only this player when he is fresh and wants to be these days, picks his spots, but you can see he is still there at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov View Post
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    1) James
    2) Durant
    3) Curry
    4) Westbrook
    5) Harden
    6) Davis
    7) Paul
    8) Aldridge
    9) Cousins

    I think after that group it gets muddier, and open to argument. the next group is clearly secodn tier, a few are in conversation to move to top 10.

    10) Thompson
    11) Greek Freek
    12) Butler
    13) Irving
    14) Lillard
    15) George
    16) Anthony
    17) Wade
    18) Hayward
    19) Derozan
    20) Lowry

    After the top 20, their is a large group of men who can put themselves in the conversation for 20-50 status and its quite murky, debatable, and confusing. Hayward, Wade, and Anthony are first out of top 20 to make way for newcomers as their upside is behind them.

    And Wade is only this player when he is fresh and wants to be these days, picks his spots, but you can see he is still there at times.
    I wouldn't even put Wade in the top 30.

    And you forgot Leonard, Griffin, and Wall. Or at least I hope you did.

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    this hornets game tonight has been the definition of a carry. The rest of the team is so fucking inept offensively. Jimmy basically won that by himself.

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    Yeah, crazy good game by Buckets.

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    fantastic Jordan-esque game from him. however it seems allot of players are having ridiculous games this year...is the talent level that bad? is it some kinda enigma? Westbrook is averaging a triple double for christ sake.

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    fantastic Jordan-esque game from him. however it seems allot of players are having ridiculous games this year...is the talent level that bad? is it some kinda enigma? Westbrook is averaging a triple double for christ sake.
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    Well, we moved him to the 3, when we picked up Wade, but I remember saying a while back, that he had the physical and mental tools to become the most dominant 2 since Kobe. I remember getting ridicule on this board for saying that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl Rose View Post
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    fantastic Jordan-esque game from him. however it seems allot of players are having ridiculous games this year...is the talent level that bad? is it some kinda enigma? Westbrook is averaging a triple double for christ sake.
    Really weird year, guys are putting up crazy numbers. I mean Harden had something like 53-17-16 the other night, wtf is going on. If Anthony Davis had a 50-30 game I don't think anyone would be surprised. Westbrook is averaging a triple double, WTF?! Something weird going on haha.


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