I think more shots (especially 3s). He is basically making another 3 a game and that comes close to explaining the difference. I can't see anyone in the East beating them in the playoffs, not without the Raptors or Celtics making a huge move. I don't think the Cavs can beat the Spurs or the Warriors in a 7 game series--injuries can make a huge difference obviously.
I think it is pretty obvious either way that Love is the 3rd best player on that team. He in no way should be considered a guy who can be the best player on championship team. It was not that long ago that some people thought of him as a top 3 or 5 player in the league. No I bet most people would have him outside the 10 and some outside the top 15.
I think Rondo was on LeBron's short list of PGs he wanted the Cavs to target. The Bulls would need to buy him out either way. There is no Rondo trade that the Cavs could agree too otherwise because they're a tax team and I'm not sure the TEs would add up anyways.
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Here are the big problems with all these proposed trades to completely revamp the roster.
Other teams aren't going to offer much because they can see the situation the Bulls are in. And most of what people post are really unrealistic.
If Reinsdorf intends to keep Paxson and or Forman they aren't going to gut the roster and admit they did such a lousy job of putting it together
If Reinsdorf knows he is going to fire either Paxson or Forman he's going to tell them not to make any medium moves.
2017-18 is about getting a better roster but once you fire Paxson ans or Forman, who is replacing either? That's job one for Reinsdorf and I doubt anybody here has a guess who he could have in mind.
To illustrate the point. Top 30 scorers in the league that are PF/C in order of PPG.
Of those 7 two are on teams in the playoffs now. Love is the 3rd best player on his team. Love also is not really a traditional 4. He is more of a 3 pt shooter now. Gasol may be the only 4/5 who is on a playoff team and the best player on his team. I think Conley might have more impact to the Grizzlies success, but it is debatable.
Here is the list of the top 7 scorers at the PG position in order of PPG.
This is just PGs, not SG/SFs. 6 of the 7 are in the playoffs and I think the Trailblazers have a very good change of getting in before all is said and done. Is Kemba Walker better than anyone on the PF/C list? I don't think so. If we gave a ratting number to each player he would not be higher than any of those guys.
The reality is that perimeter players have far more impact on the game now. The game has changed. It is called differently now. The NBA has all but legislated the bigs out of the game. Without series changes to the way the game is played/called we won't see another traditional big man as the best player on a NBA champion.
I don't hold a grudge against you for being exactly right before just about anyone else. I just think you are basketball retarded. Just like i never said that Davis was not a good player or one of the best big men in the game. I just said he won't have as big an impact as a perimeter player. Davis is the best traditional big in the game right now. you know what that gets you.........10 games under 500. Kemba Walker is probably the ~15 best perimeter player in the game, you know what that gets you..........a 500 record and a playoff spot.
The problem that you have, and what proves you are basketball retarded, is that you think the just because a PF/C is really good and a better player than a PG/SG/SF that the big is an option to build around. 10 years ago yes. Ever since 2011 that has not been the case.
I know people like Butler a lot and want to build around him. The problem is he’s not good enough to be the best player on a title team. Additionally, he is probably at his absolute peak value right now. His long term health and has to be a question. He plays a very physical game and is undersized for the SF. He is not a great shooter and gets much of his value from FTs, and those come at a price to his body. As he ages and his legs start to go, can he really continue to be affective? I think he could have a steep drop off around 30.
That has nothing to do with him not being a good player. I know you are basketball retarded, are you illiterate too?
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Its hard to talk about moving all the young guys, when you cant even get a read on their development. There is no way, Mcdermot, Mirotic, Portis, Zipser, Valentine and Felicio are all busts. They definitely dont inspire any optimism, but that has to reflect on coaching more than the players.
Not even Gar/Pax can go 0/9 on drafting even a role player.(counting bairstow, teague, and snell)
I'm going to need a Rami list before I go any further.
Valentine is a goon point guard with bad shot selection and pre-injured knees.
In order to double down on this move, the Bulls had to trade for MCW to have another goon point guard that is much worse at offense, but good enough to block Valentine ever finding a groove with team.
That is the type of shit the Bulls do. If we just had one McDermott, Mirotic, or Zipser they would have a definitive role and grow into it, the team would adapt and figure it out what they are. But instead we have 3 of that guy. And Portis. Plus just retain Gibson forever and keep the waters real muddy. Felicio is a nice find, what is his role? How does he fit with those other 6 similar level players?
Thibs was bad at defining roles for completely different reasons. He would restrict his mental flexibility and just play 7 guys 38 minutes. Now we have the opposite, playing a fucking orchestra of rotations every night.
What the fuck...I just don't even...past scratching my head at this team and coach.
I don't believe in the nuclear option...I don't believe we should trade Jimmy/Lopez/Portis/Valentine because of the upside and higher or similar trade value they will have later. Nuke everything else if you want. I guess the young guys don't respect Wade because he doesn't practice on his old knees so...ok.
The leadership situation over there is astounding...none of this can happen. lol.
Mirotic/Rondo should be gone tomorrow. Buy out, trade, who cares. You can't keep guys around who are incapable of understanding "team", particularly when its a hard concept for your superstar.
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Doug was supposed to be a good player for this offense. However, he has had to develop his game so much in the last few years to include an inside/driving game that he hasn't been able to specialize in 3-point shooting.
Valentine and Zipser are supposedly good perimeter shooters, but the lack of ball movement by the team in general results in only contested shots. They aren't players who can create there own shot yet, they need to be set up.
A lot of Felicio's value has come from the second chance opportunities that he has capitalized on due to the awful shooting by the rest of the team. His tip-ins have added a lot of value to the team.
I think it is too early to tell if the young players are good because I think that they would develop more in the right system. Felicio is developing rapidly because he is good at cleaning up our terrible shooting.
Felicio does more than just tip ins. Stacey has pointed out numerous times that when you throw it up to him, he can just go and get it. He's great in the pick and roll, and catching the ball in traffic. He has a respectable jump shot from 15 feet. He's a good post defender and brings a lot of energy, and he's a good finisher at the rim. Felicio value isn't based on tip ins because of poor shooting lol..let's be real. Sure, he's adept at tip ins, but let's not pretend like that's the only thing he does or the only place he holds value.
Valentine and Portis are still really unknowns at this point. They haven't had much playing time and they could still turn into solid NBA players. I don't see them ever becoming much more than that though.
I'd disagree with your take on Doug because I think that he would be a very strong shooter if he was able to just focus on that part of his game. However, I understand that it is a weak point because no one really knows, it's just my opinion.
I also didn't want to say that Felicio is only good for his tip-ins. I just think that it is part of his game that is really developing and has been a unique service to the Bulls. I do want him to get more minutes.
As for Doug, the Bulls had bigger plans for him other than to just be a jump shooter. They traded up to get him. They need and want him to be a more versatile scorer. Unfortunately, Doug hasn't even been a great spot up shooter this season, and he's not someone you can really rely on to consistently create his own offense. He's a better shooter than what he's shown, but he's still only a 3 PT specialist on any other team. Which really, isn't all that impressive for where he was drafted.